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| Transoholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by chinamon
exactly.
its funny how TA's seem to think they are the only ones that exist (or mean anything) in the club scene. if a club doesnt cater specifically to them then they will say the club sucks. |
I understand you pessimism and you are absolutely right in every point you make, but it's not like the reciprocal is not true. University students think EDM (proper) sucks. And to each his own, nobody here is saying that we don't understand why top40 exists. No one is trying to change that. As I said, I love Tabu as a club, I would just rather not go there cuz of the music, and that's fine, not a big deal.
The emphasis is rather on finding a happy medium where a club can balance having the two. If Tabu goes late, there's no reason for it not to be able to draw in EDM people if that's what they are actually going to play (without having a big act).
Purple Room exists. It IS a club that plays EDM once a week. It's had some great nights and some soft nights over the past year cuz the usual crowd hasn't been coming out. Recently the usual crowd expressed interest in changing that. Adding an additional night for trance/tech wouldn't hurt. That's it.
Also, as an honest question: why has Guelph taken off? It's a proof of principle. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
When I was younger and living in KW, my friends and I would go to Purple Room because we didn't feel like driving to Toronto. I think that is the biggest problem right there....you have Toronto just an hour away.
As much as I would love to see a scene in KW...it just won't happen...any club that has tried to be an EDM club or even has a dedicated EDM night has failed. There is no solution to the problem...unless they outlaw top 40 music in KW...which wouldn't be a bad thing IMO :D |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Imagine Tiesto in Waterloo.
Haaaaaaaaahahahah |
You put Tiesto in Rev and you have a sold out mega night at Rev.
Rev is such an awesome space and I feel so sad for it |
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| Transoholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by VERTiG0
Imagine Tiesto in Waterloo.
Haaaaaaaaahahahah |
I also find that pretty amusing as an initial image, but you'd be surprised how close Armin @ Rev was to happening. The biggest problem with that is that the acts usually come to KW after a night at Guv. Thus, everyone just went to see that DJ the night before. So Kudos to a club for getting a big name in the first place and although they havn't hit Armin/Tiesto/SvD yet...they've done pretty well at Tabu and I hope they are serious about continuing that. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Transoholic
Also, as an honest question: why has Guelph taken off? It's a proof of principle. |
Guelph can easily draw people from Toronto, KW, Cambridge, Burlington, Oakville, Hamilton, Mississauga, etc. You won't find many people willing to travel to Kitchener,from some of those areas, for a night out. |
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| Transoholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
When I was younger and living in KW, my friends and I would go to Purple Room because we didn't feel like driving to Toronto. I think that is the biggest problem right there....you have Toronto just an hour away.
As much as I would love to see a scene in KW...it just won't happen...any club that has tried to be an EDM club or even has a dedicated EDM night has failed. There is no solution to the problem...unless they outlaw top 40 music in KW...which wouldn't be a bad thing IMO :D |
haha, no that would not be a bad thing at all, although it would create a vacuum of what Top40s is and the underground would become pop and then the world would implode.
The Toronto point is a HUGE one. PR was great cuz you didn't have to go very far, worry about where to stay in TO if you weren't crashing, driving back, you could just get hammered and listen to some great sets by good DJs in your backyard. Then TO started getting big DJs more often. Like I said before, that titrated people away from staying locally. It's really about timing. Don't expect to have a big night at PR when you have a lineup like Guv has tonight. IF manzone and strong were playing (as they are) at tabu, then plan a trance night at PR. It's just about getting those little details right. |
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| Transoholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Guelph can easily draw people from Toronto, KW, Cambridge, Burlington, Oakville, Hamilton, Mississauga, etc. You won't find many people willing to travel to Kitchener,from some of those areas, for a night out. |
Good point, although I didn't think KW was that much farther, but from what I've been told from promoters who've done big events in Guelph, most of the ticket sales have been local (U of G). The extra definitely helps. I think that place is just getting some mad traction, positive hype and there actually are clubs that are dedicating themselves to EDM moreso. I don't go there often, but my friends who do say it's a great scene. |
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| feelgood |
| quote: | Originally posted by Transoholic
Also, as an honest question: why has Guelph taken off? It's a proof of principle. |
Guelph is using the same model as Tabu Kitchener. (For the record there is also a Tabu Guelph which is not affiliated Tabu Kitchener as far as I know.)
The opening DJ's spin what we would consider cheese. (Top 40 remixes, anything with a buzzsaw electro sound, that gross rap-electro ....)
Guelph's downtown is also very collected in one area. Its only a 5 minute walk from the southern most bar to the northern most bar. So on any given weekend a DT party goer has access to all the bars on a silver platter in front of them. Whereas dt kitchener is a bit of a trek from Laurier-Waterloo.
I wouldnt argue that its because Guelph draws from the GTA. If anything it hinders it, since Toronto is a 45min jaunt down the 401.
While Guelph's electronic scene has improved VASTLY over the last two years, its far from what would be considered a TA' type of sound. Last night at Hatiras, I thought I was at a blink 182 concert by watching the crowd 'dance' ... clearly not clubbers, but still having the time of their life (which is a win in my books) Also, hatiras' set was doctored to suit the crowd.. alot more mainstream. Which means he did his job.
the last regular night that was closest to the TA sound in Guelph was my night "Electronik thursdays @ the underground"
My buddy did the more electro stuff that got kids moving, and then I would do the progressive-tech-techno stuff that would scare em all away.:D That being said.. id occasionally get some ex-rave kids who would go nuts to some proper Lawler house or whatnot...
I advertised every week on the event listings on TA.. but turnout was poor. Of course...my DJ name has zero market value. (So far..:D ) |
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| Transoholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by feelgood
Guelph is using the same model as Tabu Kitchener. (For the record there is also a Tabu Guelph which is not affiliated Tabu Kitchener as far as I know.)
The opening DJ's spin what we would consider cheese. (Top 40 remixes, anything with a buzzsaw electro sound, that gross rap-electro ....)
Guelph's downtown is also very collected in one area. Its only a 5 minute walk from the southern most bar to the northern most bar. So on any given weekend a DT party goer has access to all the bars on a silver platter in front of them. Whereas dt kitchener is a bit of a trek from Laurier-Waterloo.
I wouldnt argue that its because Guelph draws from the GTA. If anything it hinders it, since Toronto is a 45min jaunt down the 401.
While Guelph's electronic scene has improved VASTLY over the last two years, its far from what would be considered a TA' type of sound. Last night at Hatiras, I thought I was at a blink 182 concert by watching the crowd 'dance' ... clearly not clubbers, but still having the time of their life (which is a win in my books) Also, hatiras' set was doctored to suit the crowd.. alot more mainstream. Which means he did his job.
the last regular night that was closest to the TA sound in Guelph was my night "Electronik thursdays @ the underground"
My buddy did the more electro stuff that got kids moving, and then I would do the progressive-tech-techno stuff that would scare em all away.:D That being said.. id occasionally get some ex-rave kids who would go nuts to some proper Lawler house or whatnot...
I advertised every week on the event listings on TA.. but turnout was poor. Of course...my DJ name has zero market value. (So far..:D ) |
Interesting insight. I know what you mean about the non-TA but EDM scene. It's like when they had all those frat people buy tickets for Aokie and basically it was a HUGE hype machine with people having a good time cuz it was the cool thing to be doing. Of course Aokie is a different brand of what we're talking about but not that different from Hatiras/Flipside (I heard there was an MC...not named Flipside:eyespop: )
Next time you host a night like that, I promise I'll come down for that. This place, the underground, is it an ironic name since you seem to suggest it's just the opposite. Oh the scaring away people with good music. Been there. What is your DJ name BTW? If you'll be playing and not warming the bench, definitely wanna come.
Edit: NM...DJ Feelgood |
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| loopdokter |
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Add in some nights where you go more techy or trancey (example: Glenn played Cass & Slide - perception and Xpander! and it was very well received...oh and Jochen Miller - Red One) and you would have a club where if you are open until 4, you will get a very big turnout from people in the area IMO. |
I think that's a load of crap. Why don't you just come out with it and say you want to hear loads of trance in K-W?
Tabu is doing their best to GET something going and catering to a wide variety of sounds is the way to do it.
Revolution doesn't give a about the Purple Room. It's an after thought and they treat it as such. At least Tabu is a club that's trying to do something differently where they're bringing in proper names. I think it's the beginning of good things to come to K-W.
K-W did have a very successful rave scene in the 1990s that was VERY underground - mostly tech house and techno. There were VERY successful Thursday nights at Wax (or whatever it's called now) and Abstract (with the likes of Slam, Funk D'Void, etc. playing). Hell, Deep Dish even played (well Sharam as Deep Dish) at Revolution and it was rammed. Loads of people came from Toronto for that. It can be done, but it takes a while to build it properly.
People ing off to Toronto every time someone plays 'of worth' doesn't help matters. People coming on here being bitter and saying it never will work doesn't help matters. People coming on here and bitching won't help matters.
Tabu is the first club that I've seen in this area in nearly 20 years of throwing various events in and out of K-W that's actually brought Toronto TO K-W. It's really about the right marketing and branding. People discount the students. Everyone is writing them off, but I know loads of student types who like electronic music but aren't aware there's something going on in their back yard. You just have to make them aware.
If you build it, they will come. |
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| Transoholic |
| quote: | Originally posted by loopdokter
I think that's a load of crap. Why don't you just come out with it and say you want to hear loads of trance in K-W?
Tabu is doing their best to GET something going and catering to a wide variety of sounds is the way to do it.
Revolution doesn't give a about the Purple Room. It's an after thought and they treat it as such. At least Tabu is a club that's trying to do something differently where they're bringing in proper names. I think it's the beginning of good things to come to K-W.
K-W did have a very successful rave scene in the 1990s that was VERY underground - mostly tech house and techno. There were VERY successful Thursday nights at Wax (or whatever it's called now) and Abstract (with the likes of Slam, Funk D'Void, etc. playing). Hell, Deep Dish even played (well Sharam as Deep Dish) at Revolution and it was rammed. Loads of people came from Toronto for that. It can be done, but it takes a while to build it properly.
People ing off to Toronto every time someone plays 'of worth' doesn't help matters. People coming on here being bitter and saying it never will work doesn't help matters. People coming on here and bitching won't help matters.
Tabu is the first club that I've seen in this area in nearly 20 years of throwing various events in and out of K-W that's actually brought Toronto TO K-W. It's really about the right marketing and branding. People discount the students. Everyone is writing them off, but I know loads of student types who like electronic music but aren't aware there's something going on in their back yard. You just have to make them aware.
If you build it, they will come. |
Given you quoted me, I suggest you read my posts regarding Tabu.
In them I said basically what you did - lots of potential, they ARE bringing in big acts and where do you get the idea that this is complaining?
It's more rallying for an actual goal (which I think you WILL see the fruits of). Who is writing Tabu off? You couldn't get INTO Tabu tonight. These are suggestions for broadening the scene and IF tabu is getting bigger and wanting to delve further into underground music and not top40s, the suggestions made by me and other people are helpful.
You are bang on with the awareness factor thing and believe me, that is number 2 on the list of priorities for re-energizing the scene (ok calm down, could even be one club and fortnightly, maybe less), right behind getting the club space. That is what this thread is about. That is what the petition is designed to aid. Convincing certain parties (Tabu was not really in the conversation until later once the template message was posted) to reconsider having additional nights for actual good EDM. Again, this is supposed to be helpful, and it would be great if you signed the petition, it will go a long way in achieving that goal. You may have read this thread as a "rant about why there is no EDM at Tabu", but it was not intended to be that.
I would encourage anyone who would LIKE to see the possibility of having more options available just sign the petition. I also think some valid points have been made in the thread that will help shape the decisions and the marketing of future endeavours.
finally to address your fist sentence:
he did play those three songs (load of crap?) and YES I would LOVE to hear Trance in KW (was I hiding that or something?). On a more targeted note, it's to promote all EDM. |
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