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The Pacific (pg. 13)
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by MGT
Thank you for your help.
China is far from perfect. I'm not here posting for China or against China. If that's implied then that's a misinterpretation. What I've posted was based on my personal experiences only. |
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| MGT |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
China doesn't exactly have good press, in the rest of the world and this board has a history of spammers from China posting on it. |
Do you think the rest of the world would still antagonize China if its government becomes a democratic one?
But then again, who is America to judge another country's imperfections when there are plenty of corruptions within America.
I just don't understand the hate. |
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| leph555 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MGT
Do you think the rest of the world would still antagonize China if its government becomes a democratic one?
But then again, who is America to judge another country's imperfections when there are plenty of corruptions within America.
I just don't understand the hate. |
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| ASOT450 |
| quote: | Originally posted by leph555
go here to gain supporters |
lame spam |
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| leph555 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ASOT450
lame spam |
yea, I demand a ban!!
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chris Crossland
Are you kidding me!?!? Apparently you forgot about Japan invading China in 1937 and the Nanking Massacre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre
If I was Chinese I sure as hell would hate the Japs. |
not sure if anyone else has corrected you, but japan invaded china/manchuria in 1931 ;) |
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| ASOT450 |
| quote: | Originally posted by leph555
yea, I demand a ban!!
:rolleyes: |
| quote: | | ", this is more retarded than Maige". |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by MGT
Do you think the rest of the world would still antagonize China if its government becomes a democratic one?
But then again, who is America to judge another country's imperfections when there are plenty of corruptions within America.
I just don't understand the hate. |
I resent both countries in equal measure for each of their flaws on a case by case basis. I see that they are exorbitantly unfair in many fundamental ways. I don't maintain that my country is better other than for the fact that I can make this post without fear of reprisal while a Chinese citizen might have his or her computer hacked and find themselves arrested. Apart from that singular feature, I have found my government and country, on the whole, wanting two-hundred different ways from Sunday.
I don't take issue with a majority of the Chinese people, however, just as I reserve my issues for the minority of Americans who seem to make it their business to meddle in some ridiculous way in the affairs of others, here. From stop-smoking legislation to ing Jamie Oliver (and he's from ing England, right? Take him back!), to proponents of the Iraq War and finally to the predatory s of our wonderful financial industries who wrought on the current financial calamity adversely affecting so many Americans along with citizens of other countries, currently. Did I mention the Iraq War? What a cluster, that is. Okay... Moving on...
But let's take a look at China. Let's start with their support for Darfur. Let's examine their industrial regulations which allow for Melamine to be substituted for pet-food, which killed pets. Let's talk about how the very same lack of over-sight let slip tainted tooth-paste which killed people. How about we examine that whole "Human Body" fiasco where we had a roving museum exhibit, here in the United States, where we were allowed to view the very real insides of Chinese Prisoners, who had often been executed, in excruciating detail. At least we don't send our death penalty prisoners to a museum, overseas, so that everyone can look at their musculature - AND they've usually killed someone to get the death penalty, here, and not just belonged to a religious organization.
Nope. Not done, yet. How about we talk about China's one child policy? What if we discuss the disproportionate number of men to women in China and how the policy has yielded in sanction through non-enforcement of kid-napping. While American females still aren't quite where they deserve to be on the social strata, here, Chinese women seem to be regarded as something of a burden - a shame on the family who has them. And don't forget, we're adopting a lot of China's little girls.
How about China's refusal to acknowledge the Tienanmen Square Massacre? Of course, if I was responsible for such a grotesque use of force, I'd likely try to sweep it under the rug, too. How about we discuss the treatment of Fallon Gong - about how there are reports of despicable torture of its prisoners and how members of the group are otherwise persecuted? How about if we discuss Google threatening to pull out after human rights activists in China had their e-mail accounts hacked? Should we talk about the "safe" mining practices, China's refusal to let its currency float in order to control its value, or the cheap building codes that have recently killed God knows how many hundreds of people in a recent earthquake because if there is one thing we can count on from China - it's that they'll never waste an opportunity to duck the ing truth of any issue they're faced with?
Should we talk about Military Strategy in the Korean War? The men who died in the breach trying to grab the first waves' weapons and how continuous their slaughter was. How about Taiwan? Do you think you could understand why they wouldn't want to be annexed. The Dalai Lama/Tibet, Quigars,
You see, it's not hate, my friend. It's empathy. I care about people. You - and everyone else. It's just when I see so much bull propelled as if from a ing fire hose and the net result is cataclysmic human suffering, I've got to say something about it. When you show up, here, belly-aching about "hate". It's not hate.
It's contempt.
It's contemptathy.
Do I think my opinion would change if they became democratic? My opinion of ANY government is only improved through a deliberate effort directed at both ethics and efficacy and I just don't see that happening, anytime soon. /rant:whip: |
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| idoru |
Ahh, kind of like those African Americans that can't shut up about racism which, in the end, only serves to perpetuate the issue. Awesome.  |
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| MGT |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I resent both countries in equal measure for each of their flaws on a case by case basis. I see that they are exorbitantly unfair in many fundamental ways. I don't maintain that my country is better other than for the fact that I can make this post without fear of reprisal while a Chinese citizen might have his or her computer hacked and find themselves arrested. Apart from that singular feature, I have found my government and country, on the whole, wanting two-hundred different ways from Sunday.
I don't take issue with a majority of the Chinese people, however, just as I reserve my issues for the minority of Americans who seem to make it their business to meddle in some ridiculous way in the affairs of others, here. From stop-smoking legislation to ing Jamie Oliver (and he's from ing England, right? Take him back!), to proponents of the Iraq War and finally to the predatory s of our wonderful financial industries who wrought on the current financial calamity adversely affecting so many Americans along with citizens of other countries, currently. Did I mention the Iraq War? What a cluster, that is. Okay... Moving on...
But let's take a look at China. Let's start with their support for Darfur. Let's examine their industrial regulations which allow for Melamine to be substituted for pet-food, which killed pets. Let's talk about how the very same lack of over-sight let slip tainted tooth-paste which killed people. How about we examine that whole "Human Body" fiasco where we had a roving museum exhibit, here in the United States, where we were allowed to view the very real insides of Chinese Prisoners, who had often been executed, in excruciating detail. At least we don't send our death penalty prisoners to a museum, overseas, so that everyone can look at their musculature - AND they've usually killed someone to get the death penalty, here, and not just belonged to a religious organization.
Nope. Not done, yet. How about we talk about China's one child policy? What if we discuss the disproportionate number of men to women in China and how the policy has yielded in sanction through non-enforcement of kid-napping. While American females still aren't quite where they deserve to be on the social strata, here, Chinese women seem to be regarded as something of a burden - a shame on the family who has them. And don't forget, we're adopting a lot of China's little girls.
How about China's refusal to acknowledge the Tienanmen Square Massacre? Of course, if I was responsible for such a grotesque use of force, I'd likely try to sweep it under the rug, too. How about we discuss the treatment of Fallon Gong - about how there are reports of despicable torture of its prisoners and how members of the group are otherwise persecuted? How about if we discuss Google threatening to pull out after human rights activists in China had their e-mail accounts hacked? Should we talk about the "safe" mining practices, China's refusal to let its currency float in order to control its value, or the cheap building codes that have recently killed God knows how many hundreds of people in a recent earthquake because if there is one thing we can count on from China - it's that they'll never waste an opportunity to duck the ing truth of any issue they're faced with?
Should we talk about Military Strategy in the Korean War? The men who died in the breach trying to grab the first waves' weapons and how continuous their slaughter was. How about Taiwan? Do you think you could understand why they wouldn't want to be annexed. The Dalai Lama/Tibet, Quigars,
You see, it's not hate, my friend. It's empathy. I care about people. You - and everyone else. It's just when I see so much bull propelled as if from a ing fire hose and the net result is cataclysmic human suffering, I've got to say something about it. When you show up, here, belly-aching about "hate". It's not hate.
It's contempt.
It's contemptathy.
Do I think my opinion would change if they became democratic? My opinion of ANY government is only improved through a deliberate effort directed at both ethics and efficacy and I just don't see that happening, anytime soon. /rant:whip: |
I agree with you on many issues including government control/censorship, morality/ethics, and human rights issues. Although faulty products are more of the responsibility of businesses than government or country as a whole but a government should oversee/regulate and protect its citizen's/consumer's well-being from greedy businesses. Economic market manipulation and military agendas are not as black and white because other countries including America are guilty as well.
In regards to the one child policy, they're actually allowing two children now. More than that gets you fined. But that's besides my point. As a country, how would you deal with overpopulation of that magnitude?
In regards to the Tienanmen Square incident / student peace protest, from first-hand observers, I've learned that the soldiers were called in to keep peace and control the situation in case things get out of hand or someone or some group of people start to cause trouble. Soldiers were given strict orders to not harm civilians or initiate aggression. Then trouble makers started throwing bottles filled with gasoline at the crowd of soldiers and burning tanks. In the midst of this chaos, one soldier in particular was burned alive and gutted with intestines showing. Another soldier was beheaded and his head was hanging off of a bridge. This all happened in the span of days. When soldiers were killed was when all hell broke loose. Also, before this, some protesters were told to retreat from one area to another, while others were told to retreat in another direction. Amongst the confusion, some protesters were led to the deadly chaotic areas where soldiers were being killed and trouble makers along with civilians were being counterattacked by soldiers out of retaliation. That's when many innocent protesters were killed and documented by the media. I wish the handling of the crowd of protesters by the government was done more responsibly and thought out more carefully. Maybe that would have avoided this tragedy. As you can see, it's not very black and white. We here in the states have had our share of mishandling of protests, resulting in riots. England too.
I just feel that some of the issues are the cause of blindly antagonizing rather than basing on facts. In reality, many things are not as clear cut or black and white. This goes for any country. |
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| MGT |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
Ahh, kind of like those African Americans that can't shut up about racism which, in the end, only serves to perpetuate the issue. Awesome. |
That attitude is perpetuating your issue. You're lumping a small group of highly vocal public figures or celebrities like Jesse Jackson with others who actually want to improve human understanding, harmony and unity. Bringing subconscious racism to the surface and resolving the issues is moving forward for humanity. |
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| idoru |
Who said anything about public figures? I'm talking about "normal" people, not people who are in the spotlight. But, this debate will get really nasty if I continue, so I'm just going to let you continue jerking off to this thread.
Have a nice day. |
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