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Iraq: Wikileaks video of US military killing journalists (pg. 9)
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Reminds me of an Onion article... |
lol... |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
Exactly my point. Ignore the issue and just call me names. You don't just do it to Digi.
Digi at least argues the issue he's chosen to debate, and backs up his opinions with the facts and information available to him. I also rarely see him insult a person (and telling you you're wrong is NOT an insult), especially unprovoked.
I rarely see anything of use in your posts when it comes to debating the issue, just empty emotional pleas and angry, name-calling outbursts. You should grow up before you decide to debate with people who've done their research. |
Geez buddy, I don't debate with him cuz I learned a long time ago that these types of arguments will only go in circles and I don't feel the need to try to change someone's opinion....there are certain people that will never waver on this topic..on both sides...
As I stated before, I'm sure Digi can stand up for himself. I don't feel the need to point out that I RARELY insult people on here. If I make an observation about someone that doesn't sit well with you, then that's your in issue. I guess telling me to grow up, which is an assumption that I am immature (based on nothing but a logical observation I made about someone) is in no shape or form calling me names or insulting me? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: oh the irony....
As for me saying that he doesn't like Muslims oh well..like someone else pointed out, we all have our biases..ain't nothing wrong with someone calling us on them once in a while..
Furthermore, for the record..what is it that I am emotionally pleading here? Please fill me in...
You're the one that called me pathetic and immature after jumping into a conversation that you weren't even a part of...bravo..maybe next time, you should stick up for *****..this advocating stuff looks good on ya! |
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| Sentinal |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Dude, Iraq is crap for oil. I can think of all sorts of good non-Saddam, non-WMD ulterior motives for the U.S. invading Iraq but oil ain't one of them.
- To try to spread American culture and indoctrination in the Middle East? Probably.
- To establish a military foothold against Iran and its puppet states? Almost certainly.
- As a giant " you" to the UN? Good possibility.
- As a failed attempt to show up the EU for their perpetual ennui (i.e. playing the pathetic odds of finding real WMDs)? I can buy that.
- Because the U.S. military got an itchy trigger finger and didn't want to wait for better intelligence? Likely.
- So Bush Jr. could finally finish what his daddy started? Conceivable.
But oil? Pff, as if the U.S. needs a few pints of Iraqi oil. Saddam had already given most of it away in that colossal global -up, the Oil-for-Food program. America's buddies the Saudis have plenty enough to last, and don't forget that the U.S. has lots on its own land (it's just that people don't want to let them drill... better to keep the money flowing to Abdullah bin Boobitybizznatch or whatever his name is).
Why must people try to be so subtle about this? Yes, there were reasons other than Saddam (duh). Some of them good, some of them not so good. It's useless to argue now about how it all started. What matters now is how it's going to finish.
P.S. To gummybear and anyone else who replied to me, sorry but there's no way I'm wading through 60 posts of melodrama in order to read what's no doubt just another garbage heap of lame personal attacks on myself along with glowing praise for this unabashed propagandist and how his blurry video moved you to tears as if you hadn't already fully made up your minds about what's happening in a remote area of the world that you've never been to and never will. |
ing right brother!!!!!!!!!!!!
its funny how the ppl that make the most intellectual sense on these forum, politically speaking, get attacked the most. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
I don't feel the need to point out that I RARELY insult people on here. |
As long as they agree with you. ;)
| quote: | | As for me saying that he doesn't like Muslims oh well..like someone else pointed out, we all have our biases..ain't nothing wrong with someone calling us on them once in a while.. |
I don't have a problem with Muslims. I do have a problem with people who try to rationalize the actions of Muslim terrorists (and any other non-Muslim terrorists, including the Tamil Tigers and... um... help me out here... the IRA I guess?).
Of course, I'm sure you will weigh in at this point and say "but they are only doing their best to fight against an oppressive blah blah and when they blah blah blah it just means that they're blahing the blabbity bloo blah and if we would all just stop for a minute and blah blah dialogue blah blah understand blah blah help blah concessions blah blabble blargle blah then we would all blah blaggity blah peace and harmony blibbity bloopity bibbly bong BLAH."
Which is exactly my point, so don't bother. |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
As long as they agree with you. ;)
I don't have a problem with Muslims. I do have a problem with people who try to rationalize the actions of Muslim terrorists (and any other non-Muslim terrorists, including the Tamil Tigers and... um... help me out here... the IRA I guess?).
Of course, I'm sure you will weigh in at this point and say "but they are only doing their best to fight against an oppressive blah blah and when they blah blah blah it just means that they're blahing the blabbity bloo blah and if we would all just stop for a minute and blah blah dialogue blah blah understand blah blah help blah concessions blah blabble blargle blah then we would all blah blaggity blah peace and harmony blibbity bloopity bibbly bong BLAH."
Which is exactly my point, so don't bother. |
oh Digi..as pointed out by your advocate Spam..I don't get into the debate..so all the blah blah blah..has never been done by me...I do have strong feelings on the subject but I choose to not get into a back and forth....the only thing I have said in this particular thread as it relates to the original post is that the actions of those soldiers occurs a lot more than we are privy to. Consequently, I feel horrible for anyone (from either side) who has to die in such a manner.
Who said anything about supporting terrorists? Were the people in the original video proven to be terrorists and somehow I've missed the press release? From what I can tell by using my eyes, ears and brain, that is not the case...It's so easy to label people as terrorists in order to justify something that is not palatable by the average person. Person gets blown up...oh he's a terrorist..alright then the mother ****** deserved what he got... |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
Who said anything about supporting terrorists? Were the people in the original video proven to be terrorists and somehow I've missed the press release? From what I can tell by using my eyes, ears and brain, that is not the case... |
Oh, right, I forgot that every Iraqi civilian carries around a couple of AK-47s and RPGs. For self-defense, right? |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Oh, right, I forgot that every Iraqi civilian carries around a couple of AK-47s and RPGs. For self-defense, right? |
for what else??? |
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| jad |
Go gummybear!
Digi's a nut. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
Person gets blown up...oh he's a terrorist..alright then the mother ****** deserved what he got... |
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| gummybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
:D |
can i get the play by play on that? :D
jad...spam is coming for you...:D :D :D :D |
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| Anas Attia |
Hey Digi
Just want to tell you I read all your posts regarding this situation, because I would like to gain a better understanding of what seemingly smart people think and say, even if they are in support of certain destructive societal ideologies regarding the middle east. I have learned that listening is far more important than talking if you truly believe in fixing the problem at hand.
Ive always wanted to meet you in person, apparently we have but you abstained from reviling your true identity to me. I would love to figure out where your ideologies stem from, or maybe learn what kind of life experience you may have had to further aid in the understanding of your thought sequencing.
And as Gummybear said earlier, we have tried semi-legitimate debating on Trance Addict before, using full sentence structure and ... (I don't know if you remember, but I was pushing for a real debate with rules but it never happened). Any ideas that stemmed away from what was politically correct at the time were quickly belittled, often by a non-engaged party and often without the use of a proper argument.
I bet you without a doubt we agree on most things, but as you may remember from before I still think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation at hand, I would love to meet you once again, this time knowing who you are and actually discussing this like thinking individuals. Doing anything on trance addict is a waste of time, but somehow you and a slew of other TAs insist on writing your opinions down and doing so with valour and authority. After much though I had unfortunately realised that even a small thread such as this can drastically perpetuate notions vaguely based on the fear and the hate of others, it is sad to see.
It's time for people to wake up and realise we are in this together against those who are doing this to us. Some of you are still in lalaland and believe your lives are true to your own perception, your egos fly beyond reason and conclusions are made, often in fear. Fear I must add is something people will deny having strictly due to the dominance of their ego, once this is resolved a surge of free thought will emerge.
It is easy to make many assumptions regarding someone or an idea, it's human nature. It saves time and resources to do so, but we must refrain from using such tools when discussing what I can safely call THE problem of the human race. Yes, the problem regarding our collective inability to logically weigh what our senses and others may provide us with what could be loosely described as reasoning.
I am truly with you Digi, I want to fix the problem, only if you care to fix it. I am unsure of your intentions but I cannot see how a seemingly reasonable individual can be swayed so far away from a reasonable reality. There is not such thing as a true reality, only fools will tell you they have it figured out. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Anas Attia
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Speak of the devil and he shall appear......
And with paragraphs...
lol... |
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