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Everybody Draw Mohammed Day - May 20th (pg. 13)
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| zoogla |
- that's because you're a disturber that looks for trivial, pathetic things to prove
- lol i guess you missed the word "bigot"
- there's no such thing as giving the middle digit to a faith, but there is such thing as giving the middle digit to PEOPLE. that's the point you're missing, idiot.
- no one's arguing about the dark ages. but of course, we can go back to your atheist cyclical argument *yawn* is that the 10th time you and I have engaged in this?
- and your (I mean YOU PKC) right to draw my prophet should be taken away (because you suck at drawing)
ps. you're honestly supporting England? wtf is wrong with you? next thing you know, you'll be on the wrong side of the Ashes too :rolleyes:
pps. upon further reflection, my 3rd bullet above is related to Lira's point about the importance of people over concepts; I agree with you, except that if certain people (and a lot of them) will get offended by something, WHO THE ARE YOU to test them and nullify the strength of their conviction in that concept? live and let live (at least the moderates in your neighborhood and on your facebook) and move on. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
- that's because you're a disturber that looks for trivial, pathetic things to prove
- lol i guess you missed the word "bigot"
- there's no such thing as giving the middle digit to a faith, but there is such thing as giving the middle digit to PEOPLE. that's the point you're missing, idiot.
- no one's arguing about the dark ages. but of course, we can go back to your atheist cyclical argument *yawn* is that the 10th time you and I have engaged in this?
- and your (I mean YOU PKC) right to draw my prophet should be taken away (because you suck at drawing)
ps. you're honestly supporting England? wtf is wrong with you? next thing you know, you'll be on the wrong side of the Ashes too :rolleyes: |
ive always supported England internationally, and cricket is for faggots.
Oh, and im an excellent drawer, so chew balls. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
lol 
You guys are ing tools. When I read these posts I thought you totally missed the point...
...and then you proved it. this day has been ALL ABOUT making of fun of a concept purely for the sake of s and giggles. |
If you can't really see past that, I'm afraid your views about everyone else may be nothing but a psychological projection, and your language and attitude unfortunately seem to stress this. It's okay though, this "ing tool" I happen to be doesn't really care whether or not you think he's a "loser" or a "ing " as long as you keep it to yourself and don't injure anyone.
If you think this is mistaken for whatever reason, I'm all ears. Just make sure to actually try to get your point across next time - calling people names won't get you anywhere :) |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Just make sure to actually try to get your point across next time - calling people names won't get you anywhere :) |
sure it does, I expressed my freedom of expression! :gsmile:
:rolleyes: |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
sure it does, I expressed my freedom of expression! :gsmile:
:rolleyes: |
And where did it get you again?
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
pps. upon further reflection, my 3rd bullet above is related to Lira's point about the importance of people over concepts; I agree with you, except that if certain people (and a lot of them) will get offended by something, WHO THE ARE YOU to test them and nullify the strength of their conviction in that concept? |
Another person. Why, should there be a hierarchy or something? |
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| Renzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
However, we need to put people over ideas, and the best way to remind ourselves that it is humans, and not vain thoughts, that matter is to scorn whatever it is that we may hold a wee bit too sacred.
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To be fair, Lira, a lot of people might not agree with this statement at all. |
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| zoogla |
| so, as long as your neighbor is not harming you, you shouldn't just let them be instead of insulting their sensibilities? |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Renzo
To be fair, Lira, a lot of people might not agree with this statement at all. |
exactly, that's my point. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
And where did it get you again? |
dude, my cursing and the post you replied to here are all sarcasm. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
When did islam become a race? |
as I reread this page, I realized that my reference to race was with regard to arabs, pakis, and persians. my point was that people are letting their fear of Islam, and stereotyping of these races come out, when it should stay deeply locked and only released when they're face to face with a real Taliban or al-Qaeda terrorist, and not behind the cushy protection of their MacBook, slinging insults at innocent, moderate Muslims.
I refer to racism also because when I reviewed the posts on that facebook page, I realized people were even putting up ancient Hindu paintings as a joke and passing them off as drawings of the prophet. just a bunch of ignorant redneck s.
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
dude, my cursing and the post you replied to here are all sarcasm. |
Oh. I didn't get it. And I still don't see how the sarcasm can lead to an actual conversation here :conf:
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
so, as long as your neighbor is not harming you, you shouldn't just let them be instead of insulting their sensibilities? |
Yes, you should let them be. You don't see me mocking Buddhists, do you? As a matter of fact, when was the last time you saw me mocking religious beliefs? If anything, I'm always the first person to actually defend the right to religion around here.
Now, if you read what I said, I never said people should go on mocking everyone else for the sake of it. However, the moment violence is committed because of an idea, it is time to show adherents of that idea that it is nothing but a possibility, a choice of theirs that has no right to be imposed on others - be it by intolerance, be it by violence. That's what I mean by it being "a wee bit too sacred".
| quote: | Originally posted by Renzo
To be fair, Lira, a lot of people might not agree with this statement at all. |
I understand. I myself often feel torn between tolerating intolerance and doing something against it. There's nothing about considering something to be sacred. However, there's a line you should not step - and, if you do, it's more humane to attack the idea that is leading this person to commit atrocious acts than to attack the person.
If you read about "Draw Mohammed Day", it was a reaction to the death threats suffered by South Park creators because of a chapter in which they didn't even mock Mohammed. This is what we're talking about.
Like I said to Bas, it's all right to be a Muslim. If it makes you a better person, go for it. Why tell someone that what makes them happy is wrong if it doesn't affect anyone else's life negatively? However, the moment it gets out of hand, something ought to be done.
I can't see anyone but an extremist be opposed to this. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Now, if you read what I said, I never said people should go on mocking everyone else for the sake of it. |
but if you disagree that this is exactly what happened yesterday AND WHAT YOU ARE DEFENDING, then jor head is up jor ass.
and with regard to death threats, honestly, it's all bull. it's just scare tactics that should be ignored. continue living your effing life; you're gonna die one day anyway. you're latin; have you had a passionate latina partner who's threatened your life in the heat of an argument? meaningless, right? oh, but these death threats are coming from these scary people on the other side of the world. lol. I've lived on that other side of the world, and in the commercial cities, it's business as usual. |
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