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Everybody Draw Mohammed Day - May 20th (pg. 23)
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| Moongoose |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Which is why I said I'd rather have facebook take them both down ;) |
Which sadly i doubt will happen...nobody is scared enough of non muslims to take action. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
You'd be okay to project your sexuality if he blamed you if Bosnians raped his sisters? What's that supposed to mean? :stongue:
Here, Fayra:
Moongoose is from that small country right next to Italy. The reason why there was a war in Slovenia is because it declared independence before things got worse, not because there was an agitated ethnic cleansing going on there, and the Yugoslav prime minister did his best to keep the country from falling apart so the ethnic bitterness could happen in the centre of the country.
You see, the ethnic wars were mainly between Bosniaks and Croats, except when they also teamed up to fight the Serbs so they could go back to the hostilities between themselves. Most of the raping happened in Bosnia (you got that bit right), quite far from Mongoose's motherland. And, incidentally, most of the raped women were Muslims.
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I see you're trying to defend Muslims, but you're not helping, at all. Just stop, please, I'm begging you on behalf of your own people! |
dude, you must be an engineer or mathematician because your ability to insinuate is very weak. i know exactly how ed the bosnian muslims got, i read the same papers. i was just trying to make a joke, which moongoose got, end of story. your little lessons are becoming pretty drab and pointless, i'm sorry to say. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonSun
See.. that's why people worry. Because as you said "they are in fact crazy".
I have done a decent amount of reading in the past on Islam & I understand the reasons why Islam never wanted Muhammad picture drawn. Muslims did not want Muhammed to turn into an idol like the Hindu's & Christians did before them. But what about Jesus? His teachings are pretty extensive in Islam. Almost as much as Mohammed. The only things differing them in importance is that Mohammed was the final prophet & put the pieces together. I dunno, I might be mistaken. So basically why doesn't Jesus or David carry the same weight when people make jokes or draw Jesus pedophile pics?
Or is it just because they don't want to start a fight with the Catholics & get ed up? :p |
lol no worries. my point about their craziness is that nothing will change them until the govts take action to round them and all their children up and kill them. won't happen, just like the us govt won't go and kill all the charles mansons out there proactively who denounce and threaten the govt everyday. can't imagine all the threats the FBI and CIA receive on a daily basis from redneck trailer trash psychos.
re jesus cartoon abuse, i think it's because there's a jesus statue hanging in every church, and a clear image of that skinny long-haired bearded dude which is widely accepted. muslims have sought to protect muhammad and jews have done the same with moses, with the exception of charlton heston, lol. it's a downhill slope into lewd cartoons and . the main reason it isn't widespread (until yesterday) is because the mosques and majority of muslims won't stand for it (rightly so). |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Do you really think that a majority of the people drawing Mohammad were doing it as a representation of freedom of speech and unity against terrorism?
Most the people were just being bigoted s and it certainty does seem to be a group that's just " Muslims," which is kind of a hate crime. |
thank you. any other takers of this argument that are too afraid to voice their opinion, for fear of being lynched by this pathetic bunch of cyber geeks? :p
and agreed re voicing your condemnation of the threats of violence and killing, none of that's going to happen. but amateur cartoonists don't have to sell newspapers which is why the media won't engage in this stuff; they're not afraid--they're just thinking about the bottom line. |
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| netroM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Do you really think that a majority of the people drawing Mohammad were doing it as a representation of freedom of speech and unity against terrorism?
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Mine was :) |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by Danny Ocean
"i don't believe in an eye for an eye, i believe in two eyes for an eye"
-bas rutten |
... And maybe an ear, and a spleen, and new shirt because this one is covered in entrails!
"bas rutten" gta 4 |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by fayraree
dude, you must be an engineer or mathematician because your ability to insinuate is very weak. i know exactly how ed the bosnian muslims got, i read the same papers. i was just trying to make a joke, which moongoose got, end of story. your little lessons are becoming pretty drab and pointless, i'm sorry to say. |
Neither, I'm a linguist. Regarding the explanation, I prefer to err on the side of caution, and would rather not come to the conclusion that you were being so hypocrite as to criticise the very same behaviour you're engaging in, so I acted as if you were being honest. And, yeah, Moongoose got it so much better than I did, you're right about it: that's why he said the same thing I did but in a more confrontive tone, and looked so much more amused by your joke.
That being said, you're still not helping anyone, at all. If anything, you're just giving bigots the perfect opportunity to hate muslims even more.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I don't know, Lira.
Do you really think that a majority of the people drawing Mohammad were doing it as a representation of freedom of speech and unity against terrorism? |
I wouldn't say the majority (nor would I say it's a minority, it would be just self-righteous to do that), but a significant share of the drawings were definitely made with that intent, I believe. Here's an interview about it given by a moderator of that group, and he sounds like a reasonable person.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Most the people were just being bigoted s and it certainty does seem to be a group that's just " Muslims," which is kind of a hate crime. |
Most of them? Are you sure?
I mean, there's got to be a fair share of bigots in both sides of any argument, but given the reasons behind this movement - if we can call it that - it's hard to say the majority is in just for the hate.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I totally disagree with people who threaten violence about this kind of (or really anything), but I do think this is pretty offensive. |
Some of the pictures are well offensive, I agree, and the moderators themselves are taking these pictures down, apparently.
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
However, should people have the right to do it? Yes. Freedom of Speech is important and should be upheld.
Still, I'd rather have Facebook take down both this group and groups of people who are threatening to murder people who partake in this group. |
I wouldn't support the deletion of this page for the following reason: Neither the author of that page, nor Facebook happen to be in Muslim countries and/or under a legislation that does not protect Freedom of Speech. Their censorship should apply to those that abide to their rules, not to everyone else. There's a thin line between "respecting others" and "demanding others to do behave the way we do".
There's no reason why non-Muslims shouldn't draw anything in particular, just like there's no reason Muslims should allow these drawings in their own countries if they don't want to. They may forbid all portraits of cats in their territory, for all I care, that's their right and no one should interfere with that. But that's not the case. These drawings are not even primarily for Muslim consumption, otherwise people would write the captions in Arabic and display them in mosques (and that would be blatantly disrespectful).
And, once violence becomes a weapon to impose an idea on unbelievers, mocking/criticising the idea is the most noble defence one can have. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
And, once violence becomes a weapon to impose an idea on unbelievers, mocking/criticising the idea is the most noble defence one can have. |
+1 |
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| igottaknow |
| I'd like to see Mohammed face when he logs in and sees this thread. |
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| Jackson |
| Lira - Master of Logic. |
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| Jake Benson |
| Yay Everybody Draw Mohammad Day group is back up on facebook. It was taken down after one of the moderators got hacked into and his personal info went up. |
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| Jake Benson |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Do you really think that a majority of the people drawing Mohammad were doing it as a representation of freedom of speech and unity against terrorism? |
Do I care to insult a religion whose followers make sodomy laws and reinforce them?
Hellz nah. |
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