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Eating Meat (pg. 11)
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| AMMORA |
most converted vegetarians, esp for medical reasons totally view it as life or death torture.
instead of focusing on all of the things you're NOT restricted to eat, you only focus on what you are restricted on.
If i did that i'd be like 90lbs or dead from starvation...
gotta be much more creative and explore alternatives...food at this point in our evolutionary chain should be fun, something to enjoy, and something to be incredibly thankful for. Eventually we're not gonna have these options, but until then lighten up, and try something new :) |
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| fughawzi |
| It's so fun to constantly hear the same conversation over and over when you mention vegetarianism. People always say the same things! You'd think they'd change it up a little, just for kicks.. |
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| AMMORA |
| quote: | Originally posted by Enigmatik
Didn't read past the second page but here is my two cents.
I love meat. I will never be a vegetarian.
Morally, I don't see what's wrong with killing a cow or a chicken for food. I just don't.. I really don't know why so many people get up in arms about it and claim that meat was never an important part in our evolution.. Have they not ever run their tongue over their teeth? You don't even need to look at fossilized remains, the proof is right there in your own mouth. Incisors and canines are flesh tearing teeth, meaning humans are meant to eat meat.. The molars are grain grinding teeth, meaning we are also meant to eat vegetables. I think it's pretty clear, if you're going to get into the evolutionary theory of it all, humans were meant to be omnivorous.
What I find to be wrong, however, is the amount (and type) of meat people consume.. Westerners, on average, eat something like 8 times the amount of protein as is needed. And most of them eat meat that is so chemically contaminated that, were it a vegetable, it would be illegal to sell it... There is nothing, health-wise wrong with eating meats, but as with everything, moderation is key, and being an informed consumer is key as well.
And as far as vegetarianism, there is nothing wrong with being a vegetarian either, except that I have known all kinds of vegetarians, and a very small percentage of them were actually healthy... Being a vegetarian means that you have to be a conscientious consumer, meaning that you have to be extremely careful with what you eat.. Humans need protein, and unless you take supplements or balance your diet carefully, you run the risk of making yourself very sick.. The number of "bread and cheese"-atarians I know is ridiculous.. Just because you eliminate meat does not make you automatically healthy, nor does it make it ok to live off of cheese pizza and grilled cheese sandwiches and french fries. |
dude totally agree on the last part about Veg. being extremely unhealthy and the "bread and cheese" diet is HOORRRIIBLE. you might as well bathe in bacon and eat nothing but the fattiest steaks forever b/c its just as damaging.
I'm very fortunate i grew up in a food-loving house where everything was balanced well and i got to try a zillion different things, even being a vegetarian...
I still crack up when people ask me, completely ignorant of the subject matter, "what do you eat? salad? pasta?" like if you eliminate meat that leaves nothing? thats old school 1950's meat and potato culture still lingering...and that whole concept of nutrition has been outdated and completely horrible for people for a few decades now. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by Enigmatik
the proof is right there in your own mouth. Incisors and canines are flesh tearing teeth, meaning humans are meant to eat meat.. The molars are grain grinding teeth, meaning we are also meant to eat vegetables. I think it's pretty clear, if you're going to get into the evolutionary theory of it all, humans were meant to be omnivorous. |
If might is all that it takes to make right, then my natural abilities and inclinations are all the justification that's needed?
Well doesn't this just open up a whole new world of violence! |
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| fughawzi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
If might is all that it takes to make right, then my natural abilities and inclinations are all the justification that's needed?
Well doesn't this just open up a whole new world of violence! |
I think I love you now. |
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| AMMORA |
| BTW to the person arguing teeth as evolutionary proof...how the eff do you explain BRITISH people's TEETH!? WTF ARE THEY EATING!! |
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| Arbiter |
| There is no right. It's just a byproduct of people's desire to call things they don't like "wrong." |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
If might is all that it takes to make right, then my natural abilities and inclinations are all the justification that's needed?
Well doesn't this just open up a whole new world of violence! |
Woohoo! |
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| FuzzQi |
| The Hare Krishnas who run my yoga class cook completely vegan meals for us and never cease to amaze me with the variety of things they can create. That proves to me you can have a really varied and interesting diet without meat. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
If might is all that it takes to make right, then my natural abilities and inclinations are all the justification that's needed?
Well doesn't this just open up a whole new world of violence! |
man was put on this earth to rule lesser animals. it says so in the bible ffs. |
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| djhaziel |
This quote kind of sums up this discussion pretty well imo
"The symbolism of meat-eating is never neutral. To himself, the meat-eater seems to be eating life. To the vegetarian, he seems to be eating death. There is a kind of gestalt-shift between the two positions which makes it hard to change, and hard to raise the questions on the matter at all without becoming embattled."
- Author Mary Midgley |
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| Esiotrat |
| quote: | Originally posted by fughawzi
I think I love you now. |
Join the club.
Hal, let's not get too carried away here. You know what I meant. :o
But what's right & wrong is up to interpretation, isn't it? THere's no set-in-stone doctrine about it. :p |
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