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Eating Meat (pg. 15)
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| SYSTEM-J |
| I've eaten a ridiculous amount of meat today. Over a kilo, easily. My mother spoils when I go home these days. |
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| Marcus Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I've eaten a ridiculous amount of meat today. Over a kilo, easily. My mother spoils when I go home these days. |
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| chlola |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I've eaten a ridiculous amount of meat today. Over a kilo, easily. My mother spoils when I go home these days. |
What'd ya eat? |
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| WittyHandle |
| I was a vegetarian for a year because I thought it was unnecessary for us to kill to survive. I wanted a hamburger every single day that year. In the end my thoughts were that a lion on the savanna doesn't think "I don't need to kill that giraffe to live", and started eating meat again. Both sides can find evidence to support their choice. I think everyone should at least think about it, but make their own choice in the end. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by chlola
What'd ya eat? |
Bacon sandwiches, roast beef with Sunday dinner, some seasoned chicken, and a whole lot more roast beef that was left over and "needed eating". I felt bad, because it seemed almost criminal to eat so much good food in just one day. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
I was a vegetarian for a year because I thought it was unnecessary for us to kill to survive. I wanted a hamburger every single day that year. In the end my thoughts were that a lion on the savanna doesn't think "I don't need to kill that giraffe to live", and started eating meat again. Both sides can find evidence to support their choice. I think everyone should at least think about it, but make their own choice in the end. |
That has to be some of the worst logic ever that was needed to justify being selfish. |
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| WittyHandle |
| I didn't do it to justify being selfish, it was a realization that we are animals and to deprive ourselves of food is against nature. I'm not saying all vegetarians are acting unnaturally, but I made my choice for myself. Vegetarians often make their choices based on psychological factors, not diet related ones imo. Not that a psychological factor is any less relevant than a physical one. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by WittyHandle
I didn't do it to justify being selfish, it was a realization that we are animals and to deprive ourselves of food is against nature. I'm not saying all vegetarians are acting unnaturally, but I made my choice for myself. Vegetarians often make their choices based on psychological factors, not diet related ones imo. Not that a psychological factor is any less relevant than a physical one. |
Of course you did. You said so yourself that when you said that you wanted a burger every single day [did you never try a good veggie burger?].
The whole 'against nature' argument is complete bull. We've evolved so much and there is no possible way to compare us to a lion. Do I feel bad that my cats eat meat? No. Because they aren't rational creatures. They're just basic animals. We are rational and intelligent beings (or so I've been told) and we know better.
And besides just the whole animal rights thing, eating meat just doesn't make any sense. It isn't anywhere as healthy for you as a plant based diet and it is complete wasteful on so many levels.
The only reasons for eating meat are selfishness and laziness (for those of us in a first world country who can afford the internet).
Eat what you want. Just don't try saying you do it because it's natural. What's natural hasn't had anything to do with the world we live in for a really long time. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
The only reasons for eating meat are selfishness and laziness (for those of us in a first world country who can afford the internet). |
Oh off. Do you ever consider that the more developed the society you live within, the more animals are exploited to maintain that society, that supermarket, that Internet every single day? You will always have blood on your hands. The only difference is you remove the blood you can taste and tell yourself you're better for it.
Eat what you want. Just don't pretend it gives you any kind of moral high ground from which to judge others. |
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| WittyHandle |
I used to think exactly the same as you do. The thing is, we are not logic based creatures, and it took me a while to see that. That doesn't mean it's ok to just do whatever we want whenever we want, but there's a lot more to the human condition than logic. We have not evolved away from the animal kingdom as much as many people might think. As I said before, the facts behind the decision to go vegetarian or not can be swayed either way to suit one's own choice, there is no correct answer. Just don't short yourself by saying selfishness and laziness are the only factors at hand.
P.S. My decision to go back to eating meat was not related to my craving for hamburgers. I made my choice outside of that desire, and allowed it only after that was clear to me. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Oh off. Do you ever consider that the more developed the society you live within, the more animals are exploited to maintain that society, that supermarket, that Internet every single day? You will always have blood on your hands. The only difference is you remove the blood you can taste and tell yourself you're better for it.
Eat what you want. Just don't pretend it gives you any kind of moral high ground from which to judge others. |
I don't think I'm on any kind of moral high ground at all. Of course I still use animal products and I could be a lot better. Believe me, I'm not trying to say I'm perfect or great or even good. But people have all sorts of excuses that are simply stupid when it comes to this.
Of course animals are exploited every day to maintain the society. But does that mean I shouldn't try to limit it?
Should people not carpool together or buy green products to try to conserve energy? I mean, society uses energy every day and is slowly destroying the environment, so why should people try limiting their uses, right?
That's a ing terrible argument, Jack. "Society uses tons of X, so trying to limit X is pointless." Come on, now. Of course we need to try to limit bad things. If we don't we're just stupid and immature. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| I really like lews when he’s not ranting on about his idiotic anti-meat views. Stop being a ing retard :( |
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