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| Halcyon+On+On |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Well first, that's not unarguable in the slightest. |
Nono, I mean that the fact that it is prejudice is unarguable. When Officers are directly told by their higher-ups to be especially suspicious of minorities, that is prejudice. Agree with the practice or not, that is the definition of the term.
| quote: | You think that racial prejudice from police drives black people to commit crimes in the first place. Money drives them to commit crimes. Money, and pictures of them with money on twitter and facebook.
Showing that this policy resulted in thousands of illegal firearms being seized is reason enough to praise the practice, not denounce it. If you don't want to be stopped and frisked, stop committing crime. |
It's far more compounded than that, but the gist of it is that the US is historically suppressant of blacks and Latinos, thereby making sufficient and legitimate means of finance significantly more elusive, thereby creating a subculture of thuggery that pervades those so disenfranchised. Stopping and seizing minorities and finding, oh, I dunno, cannabis or a gun on them, ropes them into the justice system, and will be the scarlet letter that follows them for years to come. They can't get jobs because they are darkies with a record, and so they must turn to crime in order to scrape by. And on and on. And that's just whitey generalizing the plight.
People tend to act how they are treated. |
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| srussell0018 |
| "So the Lama said, 'When you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness,' so I got that goin for me." |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Stopping and seizing minorities and finding, oh, I dunno, cannabis or a gun on them, ropes them into the justice system, and will be the scarlet letter that follows them for years to come. They can't get jobs because they are darkies with a record, and so they must turn to crime in order to scrape by. And on and on. |
Maybe they shouldn't be walking around with cannabis or a gun on them then. I have no sympathy for anyone who gets "roped" into the justice system for completely legitimate reasons.
Boo hoo. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
But maybe they don't? The vast majority of people stopped during the policy's existence are completely innocent, and merely being harassed because of the colour of their skin.
It's unconstitutional by the 4th amendment, unless you think that being born black is probable cause. |
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| srussell0018 |
So inconveniencing some outweighs getting criminals off the street, preventing murders, getting illegal weapons off the streets, etc.?
If statistically those are the people with the illegal weapons, what possible reason could there be to not follow these practices? Their job is to serve and protect. Protect law-abiding citizens. Not to protect the sensibilities of common street thugs. |
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| PivotTechno |
| Srussell is like a white version of Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks. Which I guess would make him a racist. |
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| srussell0018 |
| Says the half-breed. |
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| OrangestO |
| quote: | Originally posted by PivotTechno
Srussell is like a white version of Uncle Ruckus from the Boondocks. Which I guess would make him a racist. |
They added it to Netflix! |
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| srussell0018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
It's unconstitutional by the 4th amendment, unless you think that being born black is probable cause. |
The fourth amendment applies more to unlawful searches and seizures, warrants, etc. If people wearing hoodies with their pants hanging below their ass are statistically more likely to be carrying a weapon or some other illegal substance, this would constitute probable cause.
| quote: | | Conversely, the Court has approved routine warrantless seizures, for example "where there is probable cause to believe that a criminal offense has been or is being committed."[20] Thus, the reasonableness requirement and the warrant requirement are somewhat different. |
RE: Stop and Frisk
| quote: | | Under Terry v. Ohio 392 U.S. 1 (1968), law enforcement officers are permitted to conduct a limited warrantless search on a level of suspicion less than probable cause under certain circumstances. In Terry, the Supreme Court ruled that when a police officer witnesses "unusual conduct" that leads that officer to reasonably believe "that criminal activity may be afoot", that the suspicious person has a weapon and that the person is presently dangerous to the officer or others, the officer may conduct a "pat-down search" (or "frisk") to determine whether the person is carrying a weapon. To conduct a frisk, officers must be able to point to specific and articulatory facts which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warrant their actions. A vague hunch will not do. Such a search must be temporary and questioning must be limited to the purpose of the stop (e.g., officers who stop a person because they have reasonable suspicion to believe that the person was driving a stolen car, cannot, after confirming that it is not stolen, compel the person to answer questions about anything else, such as the possession of contraband). |
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| OrangestO |
| So what you're saying is the way you wear your clothes constitutes probable cause? |
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| PivotTechno |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Says the half-breed. |
Your daddy done taught you wel...sorry, "real good".
And my great-grandfather was Irish, so I guess that makes me somewhat like you, minus the narrow-minded racist part. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
The point is that we are ALL inconvenienced when law enforcement is busy rooting through the pockets of some 14 year old because he was wearing his pants too low. There is absolutely no evidence that racial profiling is an effective deterrent of actual crimes, because it focuses on entire swaths of people based only on an attribute that is not the cause of crime, merely the correlation, given innumerable cultural attributes; one of which might just be -ta-da!- being suspected by every police officer they've ever come across.
Like I said, it's merely approaching the issue from the wrong end. Resources would be infinitely better invested in education, provision of medical treatment, family planning, etc. People don't arm themselves on the street or sell drugs because their lives are awesome and they had every chance to succeed that the majority privilege takes for granted. |
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