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"Free will is the consequence of a Divine creation" (pg. 11)
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| My inner Hitler is starting to tingle again. |
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| Lews |
"It's mysterious!" is always a great answer.
Also, this is the worst explanation of God is timeless I've ever read:
| quote: | | G-d's knowledge is not external to Him, as is man's. And, just as man cannot comprehend G-d's essence, he cannot comprehend G-d's knowledge. Therefore, although it is beyond our understanding how G-d can be aware of an indeterminate future, His awareness is as removed from our universe as G-d Himself and thus in no way impacts on the reality of free will. Thus, our futures truly are our own to decide. G-d's knowledge of our eventual decisions is so to speak not yet a part of this world -- and has not assumed a form which impinges on the independence of this world. And so, as far as our universe is concerned, the future is still wide open. |
Boethius was much more elegant in his explanation of it.
The idea is, unfortunately, logically incoherent. If right now it is true that God knows the future, then right now the future is set. It doesn't matter if God is inside time or outside it, the future is still set. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Apparently he has formed some sort weird life view from psychedelic spiritual ibloga related books. If you read his posts from that view point they make sense. Of course if you were whacked out on ibloga that would probably help even more. |
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| Sphere City |
they make sense but its nothing we dont already know.
only someone whacked on ibloba would come across this thought pattern.
at the end of the day doesnt mean .
you still gotta eat live and work just like the rest of us.
ur not special. ******. all the ibloba in the world can not change that
get ready for the shunning. ( cult basics 101) |
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| matuto |
You dont need to have a religion to be alert that you make your own destiny.
Free will as it is called, is just a way to tell you that you can do whatever you want, but it will reflect in you later. Cause everything that you do, will have a good or bad consequence, depending on your intention.
Knowing that you make up your own path and decisions, is one of the most essentials things in life. Cause from the moment that youre alert of that, you know that you can accomplish anything in life, be it good or not. And the only person that can do that is YOURSELF.
So dont blame anyone for being what you are now, its all YOUR fault. Also have balls to accept and face any consequence of your acts. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
The idea is, unfortunately, logically incoherent. |
What he's getting at is that G-d is beyond our "logic," and the only knowledge we may have of Him is that which He is willing to impart to us, imo, through our deeds, actions, prayer, studies of Holy texts, etc.
| quote: | Originally posted by matuto
Knowing that you make up your own path and decisions, is one of the most essentials things in life. Cause from the moment that youre alert of that, you know that you can accomplish anything in life, be it good or not. And the only person that can do that is YOURSELF.
So dont blame anyone for being what you are now, its all YOUR fault. Also have balls to accept and face any consequence of your acts. |
Agreed. |
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| Jon_Snow |
Free will as a topic is very interesting too bad it had to get iblogaed.
I have never studied it or given it serious thought. While I think free will has tremendous appeal to our ego, I have a gut feeling that if we were able to go back in time with no knowledge of the future we would make the same decisions.
While it maybe impossible to know the future it's probably also true we can't control our decisions. If that makes sense. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Innocence Lost
Hey now is that true Alpha are you joining a cult? |
No, Juan, definitely not. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
What he's getting at is that G-d is beyond our "logic," and the only knowledge we may have of Him is that which He is willing to impart to us, imo, through our deeds, actions, prayer, studies of Holy texts, etc |
That's unfortunately not how logic works. We may not know the reason WHY God does things, such as allow bad things to happen, but he cannot break logic. He cannot make a square circle or an all-blue red thing. Nor can he make it so that he there is both free will and a set future. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
We may not know the reason WHY God does things, such as allow bad things to happen, but he cannot break logic. He cannot make a square circle or an all-blue red thing. Nor can he make it so that he there is both free will and a set future. |
That's where we disagree, then. |
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| Lews |
1: To say that God cannot break logic does not mean that he is not all powerful.
2: To say that he can break logic is, in fact, a nonsensical statement. If you really feel better about a nonsensical God, then you are, indeed, a moron. |
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