Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You are desperate, desperate to believe yourself.
Not in the least, I'm very comfortable with what I currently believe and am enjoying and appreciating life probably more so than I have ever before.
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What the hell actually happened to you in that religious commune that ed your mind up so badly in the first place?
I wouldn't say my mind got "ed up," but rather that I developed a kind of crippling, severe Social Anxiety (a few psychiatrists labeled it as Bipolar/Mood Disorder, however). I would actually say my mind was pretty messed up for several years, when I didn't give a damn about anyone or anything, and did whatever I pleased - before my "breakdown" in Israel. In terms of what I think happened in Israel, and perhaps was the cause of it, is that I went from one extreme of not giving a funk about anything/anyone - living a pretty selfish, godless, hedonistic life for a number of years - to the other extreme of trying to do and be good. Eventually, perhaps I went out of my way and against my own sense of truth by trying to please and appease the people I was around in the 2nd yeshiva that I stayed at in Israel (stayed for 6 months in one, then another month in the 2nd one) and eventually had a kind of panic attack, which was followed by a sort of "nervous breakdown."
Thankfully, after having had virtually no relief for the past nearly 3 years, I believe G-d may have been merciful and forgiving with me, and healed me through Iboga from all the negative, insufferable "symptoms" I had during my "condition." I believe now that I had to go through some suffering - for my own good, G-d willing - to start to appreciate life and people again, something which I had not done (I was quite the cynic) in years. All I can say is that I'm extremely grateful for everything that has happened in my life so far, I'm probably feeling happier and more at peace with myself than I have ever felt before, and I hope not to ever harm or hurt another person again (which I've perhaps done plenty of times, with my devil-may-care attitude that I had) - unless it's obviously necessary from self-defense or if someone like ISIS tries to show up and do harm, G-d forbid.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Not in the least, I'm very comfortable with what I currently believe and am enjoying and appreciating life probably more so than I have ever before.
So why are you displaying such a ravenous desire to validate your beliefs?
AlphaStarred
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
So why are you displaying such a ravenous desire to validate your beliefs?
I don't need my beliefs to be validated. I only want to show the contradictions in others' supposed beliefs in pure science. I believe I have already shown that in Moral Hazard's belief in the possibility of miracles, hence things beyond logic, hence the possibility of G-d, who is thus beyond logic. Same thing with Lews. From the start, I wanted to see what people believe in, which is why I started the topic, and see if people can believe in the possibility of a Creator, provided they already believe in the possibility of occurrences that are beyond logic and beyond the explanation of science.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by AlphaStarred
I only want to show the contradictions in others' supposed beliefs in pure science.
Why?
AlphaStarred
Because I want to show how others can come to the conclusion in the possibility of a Creator, who is beyond logic, and who wants us to live a meaningful, fulfilling life, which I believe is one of the greatest pleasures.
Because I believe in the Commandments he layed out for us in the Torah, and because I've seen many people who love and appreciate life, and seem to be living meaningful, fulfilling lives - certainly more so than those who are living completely godless, hedonistic lives (from my own experience, as well) - simply because they believe G-d exists (not talking necessarily about "religious" people, either).
SYSTEM-J
Could you live a meaningful, fulfilling, peaceful life without the belief in God?
AlphaStarred
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Could you live a meaningful, fulfilling, peaceful life without the belief in God?
I've certainly tried to, and I couldn't. It was perhaps the worst time of my life. As for others, I doubt it, as well. For instance, if one doesn't believe in G-d, then what is the purpose of life? How can one find meaning, fulfillment, and peace if there are no ultimate, universal values, and life is just a bunch of meticulously combined atoms? Why is it that so many people find meaning, fulfillment and peace by helping others, rather than by just living completely for themselves? If life is just a randomly generated "accident," then what's the purpose of living at all? To try and attain as much pleasure as possible? But what pleasures are greater than other pleasures? What leads one to happiness? What is real happiness? That information, I believe, was already given to us by G-d through the Torah.
SYSTEM-J
Yeah, it must be truly terrifying to think that there is absolutely no proof that the one thing binding together one's fragile mind even exists. It's a good thing you don't think that. Isn't it?
Mr.Mystery
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Originally posted by AlphaStarred
if one doesn't believe in G-d, then what is the purpose of life?
How would having a deity in the equation change the outcome in any way? What is the purpose of life when you do believe in god?
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by AlphaStarred
I've certainly tried to, and I couldn't. It was perhaps the worst time of my life. As for others, I doubt it, as well. For instance, if one doesn't believe in G-d, then what is the purpose of life? How can one find meaning, fulfillment, and peace if there are no ultimate, universal values, and life is just a bunch of meticulously combined atoms? Why is it that so many people find meaning, fulfillment and peace by helping others, rather than by just living completely for themselves? If life is just a randomly generated "accident," then what's the purpose of living at all? To try and attain as much pleasure as possible? But what pleasures are greater than other pleasures? What leads one to happiness? What is real happiness? That information, I believe, was already given to us by G-d through the Torah.
because it sounds nice. We are but a few generations from a gnat. That is how insignificant we are. Believe in GOD if it helps but it is clearly a man made concept to explain things we don't understand or fear. We;ve been around for about a second in this universe.
And morality was an adaptive trait that made us survive. We were lucky. Religion came way after that. Happiness is a fleeting moment. You cannot be happy without being sad. It isn't a state. Being content is perhaps aknowledging your overall average of happy events.
And you really did pick the worst ing god. I mean your GOD fits the profile of a sadistic narcissist that is just a ty designer.
GOD. ing guy creates planets but can't handle you using his name which of course is english because god is english.
When did you start with all this stuff ? IT seemed you did some drugs and now you are insane.
AlphaStarred
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Happiness is a fleeting moment. You cannot be happy without being sad. It isn't a state.
You can be sad but still love and appreciate life, therefore being generally happy.
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And you really did pick the worst ing god. I mean your GOD fits the profile of a sadistic narcissist that is just a ty designer.
Huh? Care to explain? I only believe in "one" G-d, which is the same G-d for all of us.
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GOD. ing guy creates planets but can't handle you using his name which of course is english because god is english.
Wrong. I already mentioned it's out of preference. Here: God. That's settled, then, yes?
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When did you start with all this stuff ?
I believe I've already mentioned when: after living a completely godless, hedonistic, selfish lifestyle and not feeling much fulfillment, meaning, or peace of mind from such.
AlphaStarred
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Yeah, it must be truly terrifying to think that there is absolutely no proof that the one thing binding together one's fragile mind even exists. It's a good thing you don't think that. Isn't it?
