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"Free will is the consequence of a Divine creation" (pg. 14)
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| Sphere City |
| quote: | Originally posted by Innocence Lost
Why do you want yourself banned? |
Excuse me? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
So you're arguing against the dictionary's definition of all-powerful? |
There's nothing to argue with. Something can be "complete" and also finite. Once again you are begging the question, as you have from the very start. You have effectively admitted that nothing has to make logical sense for you to believe it, provided it matches your feeling about God. This is why all religious debates are almost completely futile. There is a complete lack of hard evidence one way or another and so it all really comes down to your gut feeling on the matter, from which all other arguments are reverse engineered.
All you are attempting to do in this thread is convince yourself that your feelings are facts. You are not even remotely interested in having your mind changed. |
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| matuto |
| thats why you cant discuss religion, waste of time. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
All you are attempting to do in this thread is convince yourself that your feelings are facts. You are not even remotely interested in having your mind changed. |
I'm more interested in continuing the discussion, based on my last question to Lews. But if neither he nor anyone else would like to answer it, so be it. |
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| Jon_Snow |
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| Silky Johnson |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
I'm more interested in continuing the discussion, based on my last question to Lews. But if neither he nor anyone else would like to answer it, so be it. |
You're only interested in continuing the discussion in the manner that suits your beliefs, which isn't a discussion at all, you narrow minded simpleton. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Silky Johnson
You're only interested in continuing the discussion in the manner that suits your beliefs, which isn't a discussion at all, you narrow minded simpleton. |
Wrong. I'm only interested in Lews's (or anyone who agrees with him) answer to my last question, so we can arrive at a conclusion based on the meaning of words, regardless of my beliefs. This is about logic and reason, not belief. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Yeah ok. :stongue: |
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| AlphaStarred |
I've already stated my reason for this topic, Jenny. I don't need to try and convince myself of anything, because I already have a strong conviction based primarily on my own experiences, and also from the many experiences of others' I've spoken directly to.
It's fine if not a single person here agrees with me, but I must also ask another question (pardon if my ignorance in science/evolution may show): how does science/evolution reconcile the beginning of creation/big bang? How would science account for something to be made out of nothing? Isn't that "impossible?" Would someone care to enlighten me, please? |
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| JEO |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
How would science account for something to be made out of nothing? |
I'm not really adept to talk any of this stuff in depth, but I guess I can always trump your knowledge with some 101.. As far as I am aware, no modern noteworthy theory has ever said something was made out of nothing. Instead, all the matter there is in the universe now, was once packed into one very, very, very dense point (as in all the matter there is in the whole universe packed into a small, small point, since the amount of matter in the universe is constant), from where the expansion started (maybe again — read about the big crunch), and that's called the big bang, as in, the matter couldn't pack any more denser, and started expanding outwards of its center (again). Similar to what happens in a star collapsing on itself and going supernova. Nothing was made out of nothing. The amount of matter in the universe is constant at any given point in time. You seem to assume that there was a nothingness at some point to begin with.
I really wish that Acton guy still came here every once in a while. He could probably inform you better.
There are multiple theories about the beginning of the universe/cosmos, that I would in my ignorance say, are virtually impossible to test thoroughly, but unlike you, as far as I know, science doesn't hold any of them as absolute truth — just good theories and models that are tested and adjusted with time, or abandoned completely if there is some fundamental flaw in them that makes them contradict with actual observations.
As to where all matter got its start from, we don't really know, but your theory of creation isn't really high on my list of probable possibilities. I accept that neither I nor anyone else knows that, but the smartest part of people construct theories and models to perhaps someday find out. To me, your whole outlook is extremely lazy and dumb, but then again, I wasn't pushed to believe in some nonsense when growing up, to which, I assume, you were thoroughly made to believe by your elders.
My little profile of you says the same as many others' here; you're not in this to learn or change your mind. You look for some made-up fallacies in peoples' arguments and snicker on your seat when you think you caught someone way more informed than you on some fallacy, while sinking deeper into your delusions yourself. As said before, it's really pointless to construct any kind of argument to you, or try to inform you, because you will eventually walk away as the "winner" — but only to yourself. You should be happy that even one or two people here are actually taking time out of their ing day to reply to you.
I recommended you a book, so you would see how religions have been seen, even by the ones practising them, as practical guidelines and helpers for communities to persevere and thrive, not something supernatural, holy books that prohibit women from touching anyone on their period, yet you just said you agree with it. The big idea of the book is that. And the Iboga thing just really proves you have very little hope.
Edit: I am way too caffeinated to make more edits for this to make actual sense to you, AlphaStarred, so if it doesn't help you, just.. you. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
This is about logic and reason, not belief. |
So you're attempting to use logic to prove that God is beyond logic. Outstanding. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Alpha if you can answer a few questions I would consider becoming religious. |
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