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Guv's owner quoted in Nat'l Post.... and lies!!! (pg. 12)
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| Jayx1 |
| I agree with Diginut. I mean we don't sit here and try and figure out Mcdonald's profit margins or anywhere else. Why do we care about a club's? Why is it any different? Frankly, it's no one's business how much such and such makes a night or where the money goes. If you don't like the price, you are free not to attend. In my opinion, club prices are very very low in Toronto. We should be so lucky that most clubs are $10-$15 Canadian. Anywhere else I have been in the world this has been the cover charge for PUBS. Clubs on the other hand routinely charge $40-70 Canadian cover in most of Europe and even some major US cities. As for implying that under the table or illegal payments occur, this is bordering on litigious (liabalous) commentary. Remember that this is a public forum and you are responsible for what you post here. I don't think city officials would be to pleased to hear what is being implied about their department. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You talk too much.
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...and you breathe too much. :rolleyes:
In any case, in response to your post I will say this:
- Of course I have not run a club like Guvernment first hand. And no, I don't claim to understand every last logistical issue in doing so. However, I will stick to my claim that, as the owner of the club, it is not impossible to put your foot down and stop letting people in the door.
- What kind of negative attention do you think the National Post will bring to the Guvernment, should it decide to pursue the issue further? Don't you think some of this negative attention is warranted?
We're not talking about little petty issues here. We're talking about your personal safety....and if some of you take it lightly, so be it. But some of us don't feel like being taken advantage of, and perhaps want to do something about it. (besides NOT GOING.) Simply not attending Guvernment anymore does not get the message across. What will? |
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| charmscars |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
oh and one more thing...diginut..i thikn we should put a word limit cap on u..lol |
hey it's reading week...and this is some of the only reading I'm doing! no word limits please!
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
And back to the original point, infinity HIGH even retracted his comment about the NP, so what does that tell you? |
Absolutely nothing. |
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| Jayx1 |
Skipper: the message has been noted. Have you been since Labour of Love? Have you seen over crowding? Are you the fire marshall who is trained to determine these things? Are you one of these people who isn't happy unless they have 20 feet of space in which to flail your arms?
Media attention is unwanted because of how they report a story. Look at the double taped Micheal Jackson interviews. I'm sure this will become a textbook case on how the media biases just about everything to suit entertainment needs. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Skipper: the message has been noted. Have you been since Labour of Love? Have you seen over crowding? Are you the fire marshall who is trained to determine these things? Are you one of these people who isn't happy unless they have 20 feet of space in which to flail your arms?
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Yes, I have been. I gave Guv another chance by going to Ferry Corsten. It was acceptable, but other events since then have not been. It doesn't have to be rammed every single weekend for an accident to occur just ONCE.
I don't need to attend to see the overcrowdedness in various pictures (see below) and I don't need to attend to hear the opinions of friends who decided to return, only to get taken advantage of again.
What event do you think the below picture is from? And explain to me, if something happened very quickly, how those people crammed in there could get out in an efficient and safe manner. Picture them all panicking, running for the same exit(s). Does it not make you nervous, even just a little bit?
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by fantom
a new guy... Jay... hmm?
You wouldn't be in any way affiliated with the GUV... as in working for the club as the 'master of lights & effects'? |
pssst i didnt want to say that out loud..maybe hes a rep for guv..lets give him hints
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
- Of course I have not run a club like Guvernment first hand. And no, I don't claim to understand every last logistical issue in doing so. However, I will stick to my claim that, as the owner of the club, it is not impossible to put your foot down and stop letting people in the door.
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Once again, you're missing the point, which is...
WHY SHOULD HE? To please you?
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- What kind of negative attention do you think the National Post will bring to the Guvernment, should it decide to pursue the issue further? Don't you think some of this negative attention is warranted?
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I don't think anyone should even have to answer this. Look at the rave scene now, every non-clubber thinks those events are nothing but gigantic drug bazaars, how do you think it got that way? This point has been stated by other people as well, and you seem to be ignoring it. And no, I don't think it's "warranted," because they haven't had many problems recently. Why harangue?
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We're not talking about little petty issues here. We're talking about your personal safety....and if some of you take it lightly, so be it. But some of us don't feel like being taken advantage of, and perhaps want to do something about it. (besides NOT GOING.) Simply not attending Guvernment anymore does not get the message across. What will? |
Well you just said it yourself, didn't you? If you don't like it, don't go. If a majority of customers have a serious problem with the place, and don't go, then the place will start losing money and will have to change its attitude. The only "message" you get across by bitching and whining without offering an alternative business plan is that you are an ass.
Hey I have an idea, let's all band together and write letters to McDonald's telling them that they're endangering our population by selling too many fatty greasy burgers and that they need to cap their sales at 500 items per day. Yeah, that sounds good... |
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| Jayx1 |
| Skipper: I'm not worried when steps have been taken to ensure safety...again i ask..are you the fire marshall? are you trained to indentify capacity levels from a picture and have looked at floor plans and security procedures? I suggest if you do have any problems or concerns that you take it up with club management. I'm sure they will listen to what you have to say and address your concerns |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Once again, you're missing the point, which is...
WHY SHOULD HE? To please you?
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Why should he stop letting people in? Because the club is obviously overcrowded. I don't expect to have my five feet of space, but I expect to be able to walk, and perhaps even breathe. I don't need to be a fire marshall to see what I see in that picture.
Re. the rave scene. Raves WERE drug havens. The crackdown on them led to a lot more searching, which I think is appropriate.
Re. negative attention being unwarranted because there have been no problems yet: WHAT THE has to happen before someone says "whoa, that club is way too crowded!" Passive attitudes like yours - the ones that say "nothing terrible has happened, why fix it?" are the root of this problem. It's like saying "I'm not going to wear my seatbelt today because I have never been in a car accident." Guess what? It only takes one car accident to put you through the windshield.
Not going does not get the message across. Why do I need to wait until the majority of Guv's patrons get dissatisfied and stop going too? I'm not a follower, and if I am unsatisfied with Guv's service, then I'm damn well going to say so, regardless of whether I am the only one who thinks so or not.
It really is quite futile arguing with you and jayx1- the bias is overwhelming, especially with jayx1 because he works there. I can understand why you would not want to disagree publicly, but please take a moment and ponder the possibility that PERHAPS Guv could be doing things that would improve safety without operating at a loss. |
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| sohaness |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Once again, you're missing the point, which is...
WHY SHOULD HE? To please you?
I don't think anyone should even have to answer this. Look at the rave scene now, every non-clubber thinks those events are nothing but gigantic drug bazaars, how do you think it got that way? |
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its so funny that you mention that, because isnt that how it is?? that's how it is in the afterhour clubs as well, and if you deny that, then you're just fooling yourself. this whole scene revolves around drug use...that's all i have to say about that.
re. the overcrowding. look at the picture Skipper posted above (which i took during deep dish), and put yourself in the middle of the crowd. then imagine a fire breaking out...catastrophe...
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| Jayx1 |
| All i have ever argued is about how you go about complaining. You are entitled to have any opinion you wish to have. This is what makes the world go round. However, going to a newspaper is grossly irresponsible based on the media's past record of reporting on these matters. If you think a venue is overcrowded...great... that's your opinion. If you wish to express that opinion, it is also your right. If you want to go to a newspaper or other media outlet, I can't stop you either. Just don't cry to me when things are blown out of proportion resulting in public hysteria. When you are sitting at home on a Saturday night in a few years lamenting about how you have to drive to Montreal for a good time, you will wish the media had been left alone. |
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