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Guv's owner quoted in Nat'l Post.... and lies!!! (pg. 6)
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| aries |
No Thanks I'm all about the "Sledgehammer to Swat a Mosquito" Mentality.
Bad Press for the Guvernment is Bad Press for the Guvernment. Viva is fine, Systems if Fine. So The Guv needs to step in line.
First Aid Facilities will do nothing for 50 people crushed in a Stampede "here lemme put a bandage on that crushed lung". |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by aries
"here lemme put a bandage on that crushed lung". |
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| charmscars |
that is pretty funny...but just to clarify- the safety concern my friend was writing about was not overcrowding..it was about a person that was in need of medical attention due to something else.
just curious if you did ask ck to respond to your concerns and what he did about it.
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| aries |
I don't think Calvin Klein even knows the Guvernment exists.......
I'm not interested in dealing with the Club Owner, it's all about $$$ to him, smaller crowds means less $$$. He won't change unless he's forced to. Aside from that if he lies to the media (as per the title of this thread) I'm sure he'll lie to anyone who challenges his opinion. Hmmmm perhaps he can give me a tour of the rooms showing me there is enough space for everyone....during the middle of the day when know one's there! |
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| Trigger |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
come on guys.
Yes, Labour of Love was a disaster. But i dont think that safety is not on the minds of guv's operators. If you havent noticed you are not allowed to block the entrances in guv and none of the doors are chained or have dirty laundry bags behind them like they were in chicago. Guv is the only club that i regularily go to that has a triage and a full time paramedic there. If you have ever been in the back of guv you will notice the 2 bed triage room equiped with medical equipment and staff. Throughout the entire night staff is picking up off the floor to avoid potential hazards.
I personally think they have their together incase of something happening. Not because they care its because of liability and compliance with bi-laws. Im pretty sure Guv has had its run ins with local politicians and officials. IMO they are waiting for guv to fuk up so they have a reason to do whatever they may want to.
I have had some pretty ty things happen to me at many different club but never once at guv.
I do agree with the overcrowding thing though but if you notice ferry corsten is now in koolhaus. |
That's fine that your not allowed to block the entrances in the club. That's only common sense. However when you take an event like LOV and the extreme overcrowding, hell you can't help but people be blocking entrances, exits and any fire routes. Believe me, the danger was VERY real on that night. Had there actually been any kind of fire or trampling, it would have been VERY difficult to get out of that place in any reason of time. I can guarantee you people would have been lost in a fire. How quickly do you think security would have been able to get those exits open by the time they actually crossed through the massess of people? That's providing that the handful of security that was there didn't flee for their own lives first.
Regardless, the reason people should voice their opinions on this issue is because we pay to go to these events. They have a responsibility to not only make our experience a fun and comfortable one but a safe one as well. The owner started this by actually making a statement in a National newspaper that this doesn't happen at his club and that its different here. That in itself is a total disregard for the people who were crammed into his club that night. If he really was sorry as people say he was then why make a statement like this? Paying customers who feel wronged by the club have a right to make it known. Trust me, taking this to the owner will make little or no difference. If you really want them to take notice then you have to resort to public forums and/or writing their sponsers.
Sure we enjoy the scene we have now and no one wants to see politicians rain on our parade but at the same time that doesn't give club owners the right to take advantage of their patrons. Showing us around their medical room is all fine and dandy but what difference does that make if they're still going to overpack their club? So basically they're saying yes, we overpack the events and endanger people but we can treat the people that do get trampled as a result. Many parties and events have paramedics on-site - this is not exclusive to Guvt. Thing is, you want them to handle just the odd pass out or what not. Not a full-scale stampede.
Keep in mind, this is not a problem that you can just put a band-aid on and hope it goes away. This problem requires a much more permanent solution. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by aries
No Thanks I'm all about the "Sledgehammer to Swat a Mosquito" Mentality.
Bad Press for the Guvernment is Bad Press for the Guvernment. Viva is fine, Systems if Fine. So The Guv needs to step in line.
First Aid Facilities will do nothing for 50 people crushed in a Stampede "here lemme put a bandage on that crushed lung". |
I disagree. Ummmmmmm bad press to Guv is bad press to EVERY club. Political ideas know no boundaries. They just look at it as a club that could potentially cause a catastrophe period (be it Guv or another place). Every club is the same etc. (Look at how they are shutting down clubs in the states. I doubt they say "Oh it is only this one club that is like that...so we'll only shut this one down"..). I agree they shouldn't lie and in terms of the fire exits and safety, it should all be made more clear. Just my two cents.:p
Chris.
P.S. I luv you.:cool: (you know who you are) |
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| aries |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
I disagree. Ummmmmmm bad press to Guv is bad press to EVERY club. Political ideas know no boundaries. They just look at it as a club that could potentially cause a catastrophe period (be it Guv or another place). Every club is the same etc. (Look at how they are shutting down clubs in the states. I doubt they say "Oh it is only this one club that is like that...so we'll only shut this one down"..). I agree they shouldn't lie and in terms of the fire exits and safety, it should all be made more clear. Just my two cents.:p
Chris.
P.S. I luv you.:cool: (you know who you are) |
1) If Politicians or Police were to show up at Viva they wouldn't find capacity violations, in fact Viva's so clean I doubt they could find any reason to shut it down, except for maybe Halo20's Shirts(Shirt Joke Count: 1)
2) Viva is SOOOO much different than Guv. You say they look at a club as if it could cause a catastrophe, where does Viva fit in that category. It doesn't....Where is the potential for catastrophe at Viva, other than the catastrophe that is Halo20's wardrobe? (Shirt Joke Count: 2)
3) You love me? errrrrrrrr ummmmmmmmmm riggggghhhhht. |
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| Endlesswave |
| The point is Guv cannot control how many people are in at one room at a time if they open up EVERY room in the place. If they do control how many people filter into the main room of Guv, people get pissed because they can't see their fav dj right? That's all I was saying. If they shut down Guv, other clubs will follow suit because they will come up with excuses such as "It's a drug filled infestation" and not just ONLY say it was because of overcapacity. They wouldn't find capacity violations @ Viva because Viva is only one room. That's why. It becomes difficult if there are more than one room. Say they DID keep capacity at reasonable levels within the main room @ Guv, then the rest of the complex would be dead because not many people would pack it in? (it would become disproportionate and inbalanced) |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by aries
1) ... in fact Viva's so clean I doubt they could find any reason to shut it down,
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1 word: drugs |
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| aries |
The Guvernment can control how many people are in one room at one time, Clubs downtown do it all the time. Tonic, Whiskey etc. And if people get pissed they can't "see" there favourite DJ then too in bad. Rules and regulations are for our safety. E2 broke those rules and patrons paid for it. I'm not willing to sacrifice my safety just so Mike from Scugog, Ontario can see Armin.
You don't seem to understand that a packed room due to overcapacity or that too many people in that room and none in the other is still a fire code violation regardless. It's not only the Guvernment complex that has a capacity its each room too. i.e. Fire Marshalls says the capacity for the Guvernment Complex is 3000 and that is 2000 in blah room and 1000 in blah room, and you are not to exceed that. Aside from that I have yet to hear of an instance where EVERYONE is in one room and no one is in the other.
Rules are rules, and if the Guvernment says " it" to the rules, then too bad. If the Police want to find violations to shut down a club they'll do it ************ of fire, drug, alcohol or any other violations. Police know theres drugs at every club. So what does that mean there going to run in and shut down every club in Toronto? I don't think so. Clubs that break the law deserve to be shut down, and if Police come up with excuses to shut down clubs then there is really nothing we can do, because an excuse isn't really breaking the law, its a lie.
I don't see how keeping capacity at a reasonable level in the Main room would make the other rooms dead. It's quite easy to feed the music from the Main Room into another room, rather than have another DJ doing different music. Not many people are obsessed about being in the same room as the DJ. |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by aries
The Guvernment can control how many people are in one room at one time, Clubs downtown do it all the time. Tonic, Whiskey etc. And if people get pissed they can't "see" there favourite DJ then too in bad. .... |
i hope to god this doesnt happen. you cant honestly tell me that you wouldnt be pissed if you couldnt get in the room to see the DJ you've been waiting for. either that or you could stay in the room that your DJ will be playing in, but what if they play some gangsta rap before him? you would be quite pissed.. |
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| Dr. Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Endlesswave
... Say they DID keep capacity at reasonable levels within the main room @ Guv, then the rest of the complex would be dead because not many people would pack it in? (it would become disproportionate and inbalanced) |
So its like controlling flies. If you want them to spread out evenly inbetween connected containers, you shove more in, that way they will force themselves into the other containters.
Also, some people are getting off topic. The thing that is being discussed is overcrowding. People are getting concerned that the same thing that happened at Chicago could happen here at the Guv. This disaster would ruin, the already weakly stable, nightlife in Toronto. We dont care if the Guv has onsite medics, or has workers picking up garbage from the ground. It still doesn't fix the overcrowding problem. |
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