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Guv's owner quoted in Nat'l Post.... and lies!!! (pg. 8)
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| Skipper |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Jayx1 Why not contact the Club Management and discuss this with them first? I'm sure they will be more than happy to address your concerns. By going the way of the media, you are only causing harm to the scene that you love and that the stuffed shirts in a newspaper office only wish they could understand. You will be the same people a few years from now whining about how there is nothing to do in Toronto. Remember, the media is only in it to make money...they don't care about you or your story unless they can exploit both. |
Why not contact management? Because management has shown time and time again that it is only concerned about the bottom line. Nobody is complaining about the number of fire exits, they are complaining that on a number of occasions the venue has been rammed way beyond the capacity permitted by the fire code.
Perhaps some media attention is just what this scene needs - I am sure Guv is not the only club taking advantage of its patrons like this. I'd rather have five clubs in the city that are safe to go out to, rather than 15 that are not. |
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| Jayx1 |
I think you may have entirely missed my point about the media. They DON'T CARE about this scene. Even if everything is OK they will make it look like a devil's lair for ratings. Have you contacted management yourself? Have you discussed your feelings with them? Of course a nightclub's objective is to make money. Who the hell goes into business for the good of charity? Why is it never OK for people in the party scene to make a profit? Charles has demonstrated concern for his patrons on numerous occasions. No one is perfect and for those who were not satisfied with Labour Of Love I remember Charles personally offering free tickets to any other upcoming show at the time. I think that took a lot of guts on his part. Also, voluntary steps have been taken since then to ensure that nobody is disappointed by capacity controls such as having the more popular guests perform in Koolhaus. (of course people complain about this too).
You are entitled to whatever opinion you wish to have. My only point is that the media does not care about you, me or any nightclub scene. By going to them it will cause more harm than good to everyone involved. It's better to let the dragon (media and politicians) sleep instead of poking it in the chest. ESPECIALLY IN A MUNICIPAL ELECTION YEAR! |
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| sohaness |
jayx1, are you really that jaded?? do you think that all media outlets are all out 'to get you' so to speak??
you honestly believe that doing nothing will make this problem go away?
i highly doubt that the guvernment is short on cash. what difference would it make if they let in a few hundred less people/event? oh yeah...less money in their pockets...seems to be the only thing people care about these days...
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| Trigger |
I totally agree. Sure the media has a way of distorting the truth and using it to their advantage. But in this case it doesn't look like they're slanting it against Charles and the Guvt. If anything she made it sound like Guvernment has everything under control and there is no potential to happen here what happened in Chicago.
Get real - keeping quiet is not the solution. Greedy club owners are NOT going to change their ways unless they're motivated to do so. Contacting them directly will have little if any affect on them. They could really care less if bob, john and joe from TA and sue, jane and sally from Tribe emailed or called them saying they didn't like the way the venue is rammed. Sure they'll say we'll do things different next time but they won't. Its only when they either know the majority of their patrons are unhappy and will not return OR if its brought into the public eye.
I've personally had some good times at the special events at Guvt/KH with the exception of Labor of Love. I'm sure there's been other instances but they've shown that they can control the number of people or not control it. All depending on how much $$ they're looking to make. |
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| Endlesswave |
| quote: | Originally posted by sohaness
jayx1, are you really that jaded?? do you think that all media outlets are all out 'to get you' so to speak??
steve. |
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The media sensationalizes EVERYTHING. If it weren't for idance then there wouldn't even be the amount of parties there are now as they would try to be shut down. In other words it DOES harm the scene if you go to the newspaper directly. Plus what is wrong with making $$$$. Of course they are concerned about the bottom line, it's a BUSINESS. (and they HAVE taken steps to ensure it isnt' so rammed, ie moving BT and Ferry into the KH as a proper venue and having JH and Mark Oliver in the Guv) I really doubt it will be as bad as LoL). Sure it will be busy but when is it ever not? All of this just has to do with Guv being a complex, which makes it a bitch to try and manage it all. It was crap before crowdwise (and slowly I'm not finding it sooooooooo bad). Like at the Guv 6 yr anniversary, was it rammed for Ferry? No. I could find tons room to dance (was better than the first time I saw him earlier in 2002 there.) Speak to the management first and see if they address your concerns. Guv is NOT always as rammed as it was for LoL. If you think that, stay home. |
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| Jayx1 |
| The problem seems to be when a person goes to one or two events at a venue and then think that they are an authority on it. |
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| sohaness |
you guys are so ed. i guess you really enjoy partying in a place that's over capacity. god forbid that a fire break out or something, you'd be so screwed.
the media sensastionalises everything? how are they going to sensationalise this story? 'a bunch of rave people think that the guvernment crams too many people into its club - but who cares if they die anyway, since they are all messed up on ecstacy'...give me a break.
do people actually think that discussing this with the all mighty Charles will solve anything. they are running a business...you said it.
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| Jayx1 |
Yeah but going to the media will solve everything. While you are at it, why not contact MPP Sandra Puppatello, Ernie Eves and mayor hopeful Tom Jakobek. Then we can all take bets on how long it will take until all clubs are forced by law to close at 2 am. You are forgetting that what happened in Chicago was at an ILLEGAL venue that had been ordered closed by the city of Chicago. It also had chained fire doors and obstructed passages. Also, it seems that security there were not trained,especially if they used pepper spray in a crowded nightclub. I highly doubt anything of this nature could ever happen here for the fact that I have never seen any club operator here operate in such a stupid manor.
PS: I guess you don't read the news much or watch too much tv or you would have seen how the media and a handfull of politicans brought down the rave scene based on lies and half truths a few years ago. |
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| Trigger |
Then you obviously didn't experience Labor of Love first hand. You weren't crushed in between hordes of people. You didn't feel like you couldn't breathe except for the hot humid air that lay stagnant in the place. Please the Guvernment did act irresponsibly and put people's lives at risk whether you want to believe it or not.
So its either wake club owners up to the fact that they can't ram people into a venue and expect them to like it or wait until something bad really happens. Then the least of your worries would be them closing at 2am.
Its obvious that some people are too afraid to voice a negative opinion on what happened and what continues to happen in this city. Apparently shutting your mouth and letting club owners put people at risk is the way to go. So long as we keep getting international DJs coming in right?
Sounds logical to me. :rolleyes: |
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| Jayx1 |
Have you even been back since Labour of Love??? I will say it again...no one is perfect and steps have been taken since to make sure it doesn't happen again. (read my former posts) I repeat, people who come to a venue once or twice cannot be an authority on the matter.
Why do i feel like I am talking in circles? |
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| charmscars |
i attended L of L and i am still taking the stance that I am. I am not afraid to voice my opinion, I just haven't found it to be overcrowded/uncomfortable since then, and I am not willing to generalize about how packed guv is. If I thought it was unsafe I wouldn't have gone back. I attended the 6 year and various other events since then, and was satisfied.
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Have you even been back since Labour of Love??? I will say it again...no one is perfect and steps have been taken since to make sure it doesn't happen again. (read my former posts) I repeat, people who come to a venue once or twice cannot be an authority on the matter.
Why do i feel like I am talking in circles? |
For real, I was going to ask everyone the same question. I admit, I wasn't at Labour of Love so I did not experience the cramming firsthand, but all these people who cite LL as a "reference" for how greedy and ignorant the club owners are, have you gone back?
I've said it before. First time I went to Viva was on NYE. The place was crammed. The lasers weren't working from the time I got in. I wasn't even -that- crazy about the music being played, all the jungle and breaks. But we all still think Viva is an AWESOME place, we were all willing to go back.
So why is everyone so up-in-arms about the Guvernment? Yes, they're greedy. Yes, all they care about is making money. To me that does NOT consequently mean that the Guv is willing to put the safety of its patrons at risk to make a few more dollars! The place may be crammed a lot but that doesn't mean it's unsafe. They ed up with Labour of Love and they admitted it. Get off their backs for being good businesspeople. |
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