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| ferrycorstenfan |
Right, lemme put my perspective on this....
As I see it, Saddam is an evil sob. 12 years ago he surrounded himself by his own people and told us to go through them to get to him, now other way round he'd have done it, but we never, the sanctions were put on and what not. However Saddam is the person spending money on weapons & not on his countrymen & women. They deserve better, and unfortunately as him & his cowardly government officials hide, then this war is necessary to sort them out, It is now the only way, simple cos to send a message to saddam you have to speak in a language he understands.
I nearly lost a mate in 11/9 and I do think that all terrorists should be sorted out, regardless of race or religion, it is just sad that people like bin laden & saddam can make their own people think it's heroic to die for your country like that, It is not when the cause is for an evil one.
Were we to do what people think now and just leave them alone, what will that do, in years to come how can we not predict that the people we left in power will not come back with more attacks like 11/9 but on a bigger scale, and with all due respect to these protesters, I would rather be safe than sorry, and if that means taking a harsher action now for a safer future, then so bet it.
For all the ppl bashing america or the uk over this, remember that these countries allow us freedom of speech, we are not forcefed bull propaganda like other countries, and for this I believe we have to fight whoever in whatever way to keep the world like that, that is one good thing that I believe in and for such reasons cannot join the peace alliance, simply cos to get true peace we have to deal with the bad ppl in life. |
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| SportTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by montie
The dictator of N. Korea (Kim Jong)has commited just as many if not more atrocities to his people as Saddam, and his country is much more of a threat to world peace than Iraq. (Iraq's army is peanuts compared to N. Korea).
Since this guy's country is a big threat to world peace (he's already threatened to nuke people), and this leader is a horrible oppressor of his people, than according to your arguement, our next target, or actually what we should be focusing on right now, is his country.
In fact following that arguement theres alot of countries we should be attacking to liberate (at least in our perspective) the people.
I think you are looking at this situation too simply and putting WAY TOO MUCH faith in the US government.
I do agree there are horrible situations when war is necesary.
But there are numerous factors to consider and many costs vs. consequences and benifits to weigh to make a decision like that.
The costs and consequences far outweigh the benefits of the war in iraq. Not only for us, but if america continues its track record in countries it attacks in the middle east, but for the Iraqi people. |
We'll have to see what happens with N. Korea. Right now, it obviously isn't a centralized concern, but I'm sure it will be. I honestly can't voice my opinion on any of this, considering, and i'm not afraid to admit, my knowledge on the situation currently is a bit shallow.
Iraq has been an issue with the US, for the last decade, N. Korea however, is somewhat a new rising issue, which is going to take a lot research before I take any sides, if ever any. But believe me, I don't think ANY established government is as half as legit as they appear. Corruption is everywhere. |
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| SuperFarStucker |
Why does it matter if "SADDAM HUSSEIN" is in breach of UN resolutions if we don't even give a F*CK about what the UN says or what it is doing. We are holding it on a double standard. If it goes against what we are plotting, we give the UN the big middle finger (yugoslavia, gulf war II), yet, if one of our 'percieved' enemies is in material breach of UN resolutions its suddenly a big deal.. don't you love how that double think works???
Saddam is a ruthless dictator, no doubt, but we are accusing him of crimes he may have not even committed? The truth is the Int'l community doesn't give a if he is genocidal to his own people even less than they give a if he has puny "weapons of mass destruction"
(which they haven't proven, even though it would have been UNDENIABLY in their best interests when they were going up against the UN for approval, if the US could have proven that Saddam had just one of these "biochemical" weapons we claim he does, then it would be a different story)
that they had 30 years ago! Isreal is far more a threat to world (and is also in breach of UN resolutions) safety than Iraq will ever be, that is the T.R.U.T.H. Go ahead, tell yourself this war is justified, and really it is, because in America, its all about the Benjamin's baby (and installing democracy in 'ruthless' dictator states).
Don't forget
Terrorist (n): A man with a bomb but no airforce, syn. U.S.A. |
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| CJ Slater |
| quote: | Originally posted by ferrycorstenfan
Right, lemme put my perspective on this....
For all the ppl bashing america or the uk over this, remember that these countries allow us freedom of speech, we are not forcefed bull propaganda like other countries, and for this I believe we have to fight whoever in whatever way to keep the world like that, that is one good thing that I believe in and for such reasons cannot join the peace alliance, simply cos to get true peace we have to deal with the bad ppl in life. |
What do you mean? Propaganda in United States (coutry that has an official Ministry of Propaganda) is even worse then the lies we had in USSR...
Freedom of speech is freedom to lie on the TV for US TV companies? :rolleyes: |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by CJ Slater
What do you mean? Propaganda in United States (coutry that has an official Ministry of Propaganda) is even worse then the lies we had in USSR...
Freedom of speech is freedom to lie on the TV for US TV companies? :rolleyes: |
Yes that's why we have so many scandals among our president and elected officials. We should strive to be better like the USSR and just cover everything up and clamp down on the media so no lies will be spoken :rolleyes: |
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| bomberMAN |
| I think watching any other countries news channel other than the countries at war would give u more accurate information than anything else. don't watch USA channels, or iraqi channels. They'll both hit u with propaganda and bull a lot 2 u. Especially the USA! don't watch british either, afterall they are like helping in the war and . reminds me of italians helping germans in war war 2. PUSSIES! |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
First of all, I would like to commend arbiter for a great post earlier on. I mostly agree with what you are saying. The thing with this war I don't like is that Bush is justifying it by reasons we all know are pretty irrelevant. If he was to say he'll kill Saddam in order to bring better life for Iraqi people, and if he showed a detailed plan on how to rebuild Iraq after the war, I'd be all for it. But to say that he's attacking Iraq because it has connections with Al Quaeda and because it supposedly has thousands of tons of biological/chemical agents, and at the same time blocking all the attempts to prove it has them is really making me think there's an obscure reason for this war which Bush doesn't want to be announced to the public. It's also somewhat insulting to behave like all the people are morons that will fall for the lie Saddam had anything to do with the 11.9. events. Sure, he was probably opening champagne when it happened, but that doesn't mean he did it.
NFA:
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Btw, Klingklang, what language is spoken in South Africa? I'd guess it's some sort of mix between english and dutch... |
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| CJ Slater |
| quote: | | Btw, Klingklang, what language is spoken in South Africa? I'd guess it's some sort of mix between english and dutch... |
Yep, it is called Africaans :) |
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| ferrycorstenfan |
| quote: | Originally posted by CJ Slater
Yep, it is called Africaans :) |
Afrikaans :D |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
Lol, I just found a site that discusses how swearing in Afrikaans is different from swearing in dutch. There are nice examples, and it's separated in sections depending on the type of swearing. They even have some examples from serbian and croatian in section which discusses swearing in regard to ones mother.
http://www.santesson.com/eafrcurs.htm |
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| CJ Slater |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Lol, I just found a site that discusses how swearing in Afrikaans is different from swearing in dutch. There are nice examples, and it's separated in sections depending on the type of swearing. They even have some examples from serbian and croatian in section which discusses swearing in regard to ones mother.
http://www.santesson.com/eafrcurs.htm |
That's interesting... :) Afrikaans is also from the indoeuropean languages family, but it changed so much during the years... :) |
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| Dj DoomForce |
Im back online..PEACE MUST BE PREVAILED,JOIN THE ALLIANCE!
nice idea |
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