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Why Athiesm is false! (pg. 5)
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by xTranceGurlx
eehh just a little bit .. ok i think we evolved somehow..everthing just evolved.... well i know this probably isnt the best example. but take a look at how bacteria grows... it evolves after awhile... then again.. u actually think someone could create all living things.. I believe god is something that people believe in to have hope in life. Darn foools have u met god... had a hardy handshake with the guy.. hes not real... kinda reminds me of santa claus =D |
You bring up some excellent points Trancegurl!
Firstly, if anyone needs proof that evolution is in fact real, one only needs to look at the world of microorganisms. Some examples of these incredible living things evolve at a phenomenal rate, and thus we can observe their evolutionary processes within the span of the human lifetime. Take the advent of penicillin as one example. Back in the 40s it was hailed as a miracle drug, because for the first time, doctors had a powerful new weapon against disease caused by bacteria. Now penicillin is virtually useless today against a host of disease-causing bacteria and seldom prescribed. Why?
Darwin's theory of natural selection!
Someone who knows biology correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it has to do with the fact that the penicillin kills most, but not all, of the disease-causing bacteria (let's say TB for example). Those few aberrant (by means of gene mutation) bacteria that survive the antibacterial onslaught infect new hosts and multiply. This new penicillin-resistant strain of tuberculosis soon becomes the norm, and the strain(s) that were susceptible to the once all-mighty penicillin, are more or less wiped out. Of course that's a simplistic view of things, but I believe that's the basics of it. Today there is a deadly strain of TB that is resistant to most of the antibiotics known to man. It's quite a scary thought that our last lines of defense could soon be useless as well on a disease that has plauged humans throughout recorded history. Imagine a world where once again a disease like syphilis is no longer curable! :nervous:
The second point you bring up Trancegurl is one that Arbiter also touched on; I've dubbed it the "Santa Clause.";)
The traditional Judeo-Christian view of "god" is one that is highly anthropomorphic, or let's just say that the prevailing view is that "god" created man "in his own image." This notion I tend to find laughable, as it conjures up the cliched mental image of an old bearded man sitting on a cloud in the sky. It's in this sense that (in my mind) organized religion breaks down in a modern society where we know so much more about our world and our universe that we as a species did when those theories about our pal Jehovah sittin' on a cloud were formulated.
That's not to say that we can or can't be sure that there isn't some unified force or power which governs the universe(s); a force which could fit into the catagory of that which is "divine." Indeed many today view nature's mathematical and scientific predictability as nothing short of "divine," but the point I'm trying to make is that to adhere to the traditional religious views formulated thousands of years ago in light of the knowledge we have today is more than a bit foolish. ;)
Just as a personal note, I was raised Catholic, and when I was younger I used to not understand why people believed or found inspiration in this book that seemed so ridiculous to me. It made me hate religion at that time in my life, but now I've come to realize that what is written in that book (Bible) is a chronicle of our species' valiant early attempts at understanding our world. That's not to say that I hate institutions like the Vatican any less than I always have for their suppression of truth.
Of course it's also a possibility that the authors of the constituent books of the bible didn't mean for those who would later read it to take the myths and parables contained within it as literal fact and history. Perhaps they were elaborate fairy tales contrived on the part of these authors merely to teach lessons about morality. As I've said before, I view religious faith and morality as two seperate entities. Religion is merely a vehicle to teach morality, or at least what some perceive to be "moral."
Damn I'm tired.
/sleep mode
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| monoxide |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSaenz
Darwin's theory of natural selection!
Someone who knows biology correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it has to do with the fact that the penicillin kills most, but not all, of the disease-causing bacteria (let's say TB for example). Those few aberrant (by means of gene mutation) bacteria that survive the antibacterial onslaught infect new hosts and multiply. This new penicillin-resistant strain of tuberculosis soon becomes the norm, and the strain(s) that were susceptible to the once all-mighty penicillin, are more or less wiped out. Of course that's a simplistic view of things, but I believe that's the basics of it. Today there is a deadly strain of TB that is resistant to most of the antibiotics known to man. It's quite a scary thought that our last lines of defense could soon be useless as well on a disease that has plauged humans throughout recorded history. Imagine a world where once again a disease like syphilis is no longer curable! :nervous:
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tho i hate speaking about my work/job when i'm having free time, but it has some true facts, the basic form of penicillin does't "work" 4 a long time now... we genetics call it "genotipycal adaptation to toxin through single gene amplification" [antibiotics are toxins!].
tho DaveSaenz, you shouldn't worry too much... every year there's dozens of new form of some antibiotic appear (usually based on penicillin, tetracycllin and ampycillin). personally i, work in genetic cell engineuring labs and my basic duties are to see if particular organism is resistant to ferments, antibiotics, UV, cold/warmth etc... and thousands of genetics worldwide have the same purpose [just governments could pay more to us:D cuz i'm planning to leave this job for other, much more prestigious, labs] so believe me, there will be no world where diseases are uncurable... |
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| monoxide |
talking about the topic:
I have somehow different beliefs. I'm pagan [it's quite popular religion in lithuania, even some politicians are pagan; from the ltu history: we were the last pagans in europe, when other lands were christened; but only after that lithuania became the biggest land in europe thru conquering lands as far as the Black Sea]...
I do not believe in supreme being. I KNOW that nature is the one and only SUPREME universe!!!
i think the power in the world belong to 5 elements [every element can create beauty and benefits to humans, but every element can cruelly destroy (earthquakes, volcanos, floods, hurricanes, fires)].
being pagan doesn't obligate you!!! there are no dogmas, mantras or whatever, it just EXTALT the mother nature...
besides, i found it a very proper religion for a biologist...
that's my opinion, please, respect and don't be ignorant on it! |
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| UglyDave |
| quote: | Originally posted by xTranceGurlx
but take a look at how bacteria grows... it evolves after awhile... |
So, where did the bacteria come from?? hmmm??? |
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| UglyDave |
there's really not much arguing about it, as there's no way any1 on here can prove anybody else wrong.
i think i'll just wait until i did and find out then (maybe that wont even happen)
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| monoxide |
| quote: | Originally posted by UglyDave
there's really not much arguing about it, as there's no way any1 on here can prove anybody else wrong.
i think i'll just wait until i did and find out then (maybe that wont even happen)
David |
heh, i don't even know what's the argument about ;) i've read max 2 posts of the thread and answered it...:D |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Let us all put out intelligent caps on and think above the normal level, as I explain why Athiesm is not only false, but crumbles entirely just by its meaning.
As we all know an Athiest believes there is no God or all-knowing/supreme being. Yet they cannot hold this position dogmatically. For a person to be able to make this type of statement with authority, he would have to know the universe in its entirety and to possess all knowledge. If someone could possibly know all this, then by definition he would be God.
Since this Athiest is not all-knowing, he cannot make a dogmatic statement on God's existence. He can only state he is uncertain whether or not there is a God, and this view is called agnosticism. (If you want, I will tell you why this view is also found wanting) Thus, it is proven, that the claim God does not exist crumbles under examination |
Dude all i ever see from you on TA is preach preach preach.. you should all belive in god.. blah blah blah... :rolleyes: This thread should be titled, "Why I believe Athiesm is false!" because you come across very arrogant. I am an atheiast and i'll be ed if i'm gonna be told my views are false from you.
| quote: | Originally posted by cbxzcm
Let us all put out intelligent caps on and think above the normal level, as I explain why Theism is not only false, but crumbles entirely just by its meaning.
As we all know a theist believes there is a God or all-knowing/supreme being. Yet they cannot hold this position dogmatically. For a person to be able to make this type of statement with authority, he would have to know the universe in its entirety and to possess all knowledge. If someone could possibly know all this, then by definition he would be God.
Since this theist is not all-knowing, he cannot make a dogmatic statement on God's existence. He can only state he is certain there is a God, and this view is called faith. (If you want, I will tell you why this view is also found wanting) Thus, it is proven, that the claim God does exist crumbles under examination |
0wned! Thread ended there as far as i'm concerned ;) |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by UglyDave
So, where did the bacteria come from?? hmmm??? |
They evolve from proteins, but my roommate has a very interesting article from his medical textbook that I want to post when I get the chance. Some researchers did an experiment under heavy electrical conditions (sort of like a lightning storm) and showed how it actually accelerated the forming of proteins and bacteria. I'll post this article when I get the chance.
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Because atheists deny the existance of a god, where as agnostics do not. Isn't that what seperates the two? |
To expand on that, the term agnostic at its etymology literally means that someone "doesn't know" if there is a God or not. To put it in scientific terms, agnostics (and deists) believe that there is simply not enough evidence to support that a God exists. This doesn't mean that they believe there isn't such a thing, as an atheist would claim. Especially with the lack of a concrete definition, like Arbiter said, we simply don't believe that God's existence has been or could ever be proven. Deists differ from Agnostics in having a somewhat stronger belief that there actually is some sort of God, but accept this as a mere belief and aren't sure of God's definition if he exists. |
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| UglyDave |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
They evolve from proteins |
aah, but where did the proteins come from??
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exactly!! admit it!! God put them there!!! |
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| Carl0s |
| quote: | Originally posted by UglyDave
aah, but where did the proteins come from??
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exactly!! admit it!! God put them there!!! |
Why stop at god? Who made god? God supposedly created us in his image, so that means he has parents, who are his parents? Dont give me that bull that God is absolute, If he is, why is he absolute? Infinity and beyond....... |
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| UglyDave |
| quote: | Originally posted by Carl0s
Why stop at god? Who made god? God supposedly created us in his image, so that means he has parents, who are his parents? Dont give me that bull that God is absolute, If he is, why is he absolute? Infinity and beyond....... |
omg.. are u telling my that God is infact buzz lightyear?? |
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| Carl0s |
| quote: | Originally posted by UglyDave
omg.. are u telling my that God is infact buzz lightyear?? |
I solved the meaning of life. |
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