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Why Athiesm is false! (pg. 8)
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
behehehe i was thinking the same thing :stongue: :haha:
however...i then feel better when i stare at your avatar :D |
I am putting a new one up soon- Should be better. :D |
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| VIO |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
You will believe what you want to believe and logic and facts will do nothing to change it.
VIO...paragraphs man...paragraphs. |
on the internet i need neither paragraphs nor capital letters. you should consider yourself lucky i use punctuation!
:happy2: :stongue: :haha: |
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| monoxide |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
This surely is interesting. I have a couple more questions for you, if you don't mind...I'm wondering if you worship any god(s) and who those gods might be? Also, I'm kinda interested in how your mythology differs from the norse/germanic one. Are there any authentic pagans in Estonia or Latvia also?
Anyway, it's pretty interesting that there still exists a religion which I thought was vanquished by christianity a long time ago. Makes me want to visit Lithuania one day and see that for myself. |
1srt - no there are no paganism in Latvia nor Estonia. Order of the knights of the Cross was in territory of Latvia for a long time [germans], and even threatened Lithuania's paganism. The major of success of being pagans for such a long period goes to Lowlanders (Samogitania) in Lithuania's West. The stubborness and bellicosity of their left them pagan even then when Aukshtaichiai [doesn't translate, but it would be smth like Highlanders; i'm an aukshtaitis as well] were christened... alot Lowlanders died defending the ancient beliefs, and the most of ancient holly places are in Samogitania.
2nd - it differs alot from the norse/germanic mythology:
a) only lithuanians and latvians are Balts in the world. the languages*, mythology, customs are unique and nowhere be seen in the rest of the world. while norse mythology is typical to scandinavians [you have probably heard Valhalla etc..., scandinavians could say you more about this]
b) there are gods in our paganism. The god of thunder, god of water, fire ...and all natural phenomenas. If you are well acquainted with greek mythology [don't forget, that greek mythology is also paganism], or Celtic druidism [also paganism], you probably would understand that the gods = the nature in paganism.
and no matter if we call them spirits/gods it's basically NATURE itself...
*i've put a mark on languages. Lithuanian language is amazingly alike to the Sanskrit, and when i'm listening to Hindu Chants i do understand every other word... it remaims one of the biggest mysteries how it is possible... |
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| drizzt81 |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
As we all know an Athiest believes there is no God or all-knowing/supreme being. Yet they cannot hold this position dogmatically. For a person to be able to make this type of statement with authority, he would have to know the universe in its entirety and to possess all knowledge. If someone could possibly know all this, then by definition he would be God.
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why do i need to make a statement of my beliefs with "authority"? My beliefs are -as it says- MINE. I do not need to justify my beliefs as I am the ultimate authority when it comes to my beliefs, as I am the holder thereof...
what I am trying to say, if I belief there is no god, then I do not need to KNOW whether there is none, as my belief tells me that my statement is true.
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Since this Athiest is not all-knowing, he cannot make a dogmatic statement on God's existence. He can only state he is uncertain whether or not there is a God, and this view is called agnosticism. (If you want, I will tell you why this view is also found wanting) Thus, it is proven, that the claim God does not exist crumbles under examination |
WRONG
there is a very clear distinction between agnostic people and atheists. As an agnostic person one does not care whether god exists. For them, it doesn't matter whether there is a god or not.
Atheists say that god does not exist. While they cannot make this statement with absolute certainty, they activly say that god does not exist.
Agnostics acknowledge the possibility of god existing. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by xTranceGurlx
hes not real... kinda reminds me of santa claus =D |
what ru saying santa claus isnt real! momeeeeeeeeeeeeee  |
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| xTranceGurlx |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSaenz
You bring up some excellent points Trancegurl!
Firstly, if anyone needs proof that evolution is in fact real, one only needs to look at the world of microorganisms. Some examples of these incredible living things evolve at a phenomenal rate, and thus we can observe their evolutionary processes within the span of the human lifetime. Take the advent of penicillin as one example. Back in the 40s it was hailed as a miracle drug, because for the first time, doctors had a powerful new weapon against disease caused by bacteria. Now penicillin is virtually useless today against a host of disease-causing bacteria and seldom prescribed. Why?
Darwin's theory of natural selection!
Someone who knows biology correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it has to do with the fact that the penicillin kills most, but not all, of the disease-causing bacteria (let's say TB for example). Those few aberrant (by means of gene mutation) bacteria that survive the antibacterial onslaught infect new hosts and multiply. This new penicillin-resistant strain of tuberculosis soon becomes the norm, and the strain(s) that were susceptible to the once all-mighty penicillin, are more or less wiped out. Of course that's a simplistic view of things, but I believe that's the basics of it. Today there is a deadly strain of TB that is resistant to most of the antibiotics known to man. It's quite a scary thought that our last lines of defense could soon be useless as well on a disease that has plauged humans throughout recorded history. Imagine a world where once again a disease like syphilis is no longer curable! :nervous:
The second point you bring up Trancegurl is one that Arbiter also touched on; I've dubbed it the "Santa Clause.";)
The traditional Judeo-Christian view of "god" is one that is highly anthropomorphic, or let's just say that the prevailing view is that "god" created man "in his own image." This notion I tend to find laughable, as it conjures up the cliched mental image of an old bearded man sitting on a cloud in the sky. It's in this sense that (in my mind) organized religion breaks down in a modern society where we know so much more about our world and our universe that we as a species did when those theories about our pal Jehovah sittin' on a cloud were formulated.
That's not to say that we can or can't be sure that there isn't some unified force or power which governs the universe(s); a force which could fit into the catagory of that which is "divine." Indeed many today view nature's mathematical and scientific predictability as nothing short of "divine," but the point I'm trying to make is that to adhere to the traditional religious views formulated thousands of years ago in light of the knowledge we have today is more than a bit foolish. ;)
Just as a personal note, I was raised Catholic, and when I was younger I used to not understand why people believed or found inspiration in this book that seemed so ridiculous to me. It made me hate religion at that time in my life, but now I've come to realize that what is written in that book (Bible) is a chronicle of our species' valiant early attempts at understanding our world. That's not to say that I hate institutions like the Vatican any less than I always have for their suppression of truth.
Of course it's also a possibility that the authors of the constituent books of the bible didn't mean for those who would later read it to take the myths and parables contained within it as literal fact and history. Perhaps they were elaborate fairy tales contrived on the part of these authors merely to teach lessons about morality. As I've said before, I view religious faith and morality as two seperate entities. Religion is merely a vehicle to teach morality, or at least what some perceive to be "moral."
Damn I'm tired.
/sleep mode
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I agreee soooooo smart dave |
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| TheSandman |
| quote: | Originally posted by UglyDave
personally, i believe in God, and until somebody explain to me where we came from, and all that crap, then i'm gonna keep believing. we didn't evolve out of thin air, if we did, then where did the thin air come from?? ah ha!! now i've got u all thinking!!
David :) |
where did your god come from??? |
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| speedracer_mec |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Dude all i ever see from you on TA is preach preach preach.. you should all belive in god.. blah blah blah... :rolleyes: This thread should be titled, "Why I believe Athiesm is false!" because you come across very arrogant. I am an atheiast and i'll be ed if i'm gonna be told my views are false from you.
0wned! Thread ended there as far as i'm concerned ;) |
relax..i never imposed anything on u or recalled seeing in my post saying that christianity is the best thing for u...never did i say that.
so kick bak:toocool: |
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| TuanAnh213 |
| how bout edit the thread title to "why atheism is true!" |
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| Arbiter |
Can anyone explain to me how you can "choose to believe" in something?
Perhaps it's only me, but I find it rather impossible. If, according to my faculties of reason something would appear to be true, then I believe it is true. Otherwise, I do not. How could I? If I know, in my own mind, that reason did not suggest it to be true, could I really be said to believe it? |
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| Trazedict |
| After reading this thread I can safely say that VIO is God, whether he wants to be or not. |
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| davinox |
Nothing can be proven.
We all live in our own "dreams" as to what reality and existence are.
Some visions of reality are more ridiculous than others. (A being who centered the Universe around the Earth, planted evidence of a completely different Universe, and have a vague set of rules that deny human instinct to escape eternal torment in a physical manifestation of your conciousness [which, by the way, is nothing but a byproduct of neuro connections]) |
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