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Why Athiesm is false! (pg. 7)
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by monoxide
talking about the topic:
I have somehow different beliefs. I'm pagan [it's quite popular religion in lithuania, even some politicians are pagan; from the ltu history: we were the last pagans in europe, when other lands were christened; but only after that lithuania became the biggest land in europe thru conquering lands as far as the Black Sea]...
I do not believe in supreme being. I KNOW that nature is the one and only SUPREME universe!!!
i think the power in the world belong to 5 elements [every element can create beauty and benefits to humans, but every element can cruelly destroy (earthquakes, volcanos, floods, hurricanes, fires)].
being pagan doesn't obligate you!!! there are no dogmas, mantras or whatever, it just EXTALT the mother nature...
besides, i found it a very proper religion for a biologist...
that's my opinion, please, respect and don't be ignorant on it! |
Now, seriously, are there any authentic remnants of paganism in Lithuania? I knew that pagans resisted chirstenisation there for a long time, but I didn't realize there were some remaining to this day. |
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| VIO |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Let us all put out intelligent caps on and think above the normal level, as I explain why Athiesm is not only false, but crumbles entirely just by its meaning.
As we all know an Athiest believes there is no God or all-knowing/supreme being. Yet they cannot hold this position dogmatically. For a person to be able to make this type of statement with authority, he would have to know the universe in its entirety and to possess all knowledge. If someone could possibly know all this, then by definition he would be God.
Since this Athiest is not all-knowing, he cannot make a dogmatic statement on God's existence. He can only state he is uncertain whether or not there is a God, and this view is called agnosticism. (If you want, I will tell you why this view is also found wanting) Thus, it is proven, that the claim God does not exist crumbles under examination |
that's simply circular logic and doesn't prove that atheism is false. in order to prove that atheism is false you would have to prove that there is a god. you cannot prove that there is a god, regardless of what you want to label as a "miracle" or what is written in a book so therefore you cannot prove that atheism is false. also in order for atheism to be dogmatic there would have to be a structured belief system and an agenda. since atheism is not a belief but lack of a belief it could never be dogmatic. more to the point, who cares? people are free to believe whatever they want. if you want to believe in some type of god then go ahead. why do you feel the need to try to disprove others beliefs or lack of them? i don't believe in a christian god. i'm not an atheist but i am an agnostic. i'm not, nor will i ever be religious but i am very spiritual. religion is nothing more then a structured control mechanism created to play off our deepest fear, the fear of death. it's a crutch. it makes people feel comfortable because they don't have to think about what might happen after they die. it's a nice neat little story that alleviates fear of what will happen to us after we die. unfortunately it cripples humanity as people no longer strive to understand our place in the universe (since this book or that book tells us what our place is). whenever religion fails to answer a question you're told that you're just supposed to "take it on faith". religion is responsible for the worst atrocities in human history. it's the root cause of terrorism and has divided humanity since it's inception. every religion says that they are the one true religion and everyone else is wrong. well then how do you know which one is right? here's a thought, none of them. they're all wrong. they're all flawed because they were invented by man. man is inherently flawed so there so anything man creates is inherently flawed. i don't need a book to tell me what's right and wrong, or to tell me how to live my life or my place in this world. the whole point of life is to live your life for this life not for some ideological afterlife that may or may not exist. i live a good life, i treat people well. i don't commit crimes against others nor do i support that. i'm not afraid to die. whatever happens, happens. since i lived a good life then even if there is some type of god then i believe i'll be just fine. after all, what's more important, living a good life or going to church? i choose to believe in myself and my abilities, not some 2000 year old book that's been translated so many times that we couldn't possibly know the authors' true meanings. |
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| electric_soul |
that's why I founded atheism with christian dogma :haha:
PS: I never quite understood the fear to die :conf: someone who fears it please enlighten me |
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| Technaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
Let us all put out intelligent caps on and think above the normal level, as I explain why Athiesm is not only false, but crumbles entirely just by its meaning.
As we all know an Athiest believes there is no God or all-knowing/supreme being. Yet they cannot hold this position dogmatically. For a person to be able to make this type of statement with authority, he would have to know the universe in its entirety and to possess all knowledge. If someone could possibly know all this, then by definition he would be God.
Since this Athiest is not all-knowing, he cannot make a dogmatic statement on God's existence. He can only state he is uncertain whether or not there is a God, and this view is called agnosticism. (If you want, I will tell you why this view is also found wanting) Thus, it is proven, that the claim God does not exist crumbles under examination |
thats bull cos ppl who believe in a god cant actually prove that god exists
so feck off |
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| TrAnCe CoNtRoL |
i am god. i exist. case closed.
/close thread |
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| Ste |
you are such a prat, you proved your post was bull yourself in your own post.... :haha:
| quote: | Originally posted by speedracer_mec
As we all know an Athiest believes there is no God or all-knowing/supreme being. |
since when do you have to be all knowing to believe in anything? twat. :stongue:
ps. VIO knows the score. the end. |
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| monoxide |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Now, seriously, are there any authentic remnants of paganism in Lithuania? I knew that pagans resisted chirstenisation there for a long time, but I didn't realize there were some remaining to this day. |
the popularity [if we could say that] of paganism in Lithuania stays much because famous writers, politicians, actors are pagan. here, you can say proudly that you are pagan, cuz you will never face the ignorance, pagans are even valued grately.
about the relics etc. yes, there are sanctuaries [they are alot different from those catholic, a pagan sanctuary can be between mounds, several holy stones, that are believed to gather spirits of elements and a stonecrafted fireplace - that's a sanctuary]. Ppl from all over the world gather to (for eg Kernave mound sanctuary) to fest June 24 (we, pagan call it the Dew-day). and even ppl from catholic church gather to listen to ancient chants.
then, there are ancient holly places, that are believed to be closest to nature. for eg holly woods, holly mounds/hills, holly stones. there are no praises/candles/flowers necessary to leave there, just to be in a holly place is a great unity with the nature.
again, some history, the last unchristened land, Ltu, was all surrounded by catholics untill duke Jogaila, who was lithuanian (poland was ruled by lithuanians a great period of time), decided to become the king of poland. but by marrying a polish princess he had to cristinisize (misspelled that word) himself and all the nation
to answer your question shortly: yes, there are authentic remnants of paganism. alot even... |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by monoxide
the popularity [if we could say that] of paganism in Lithuania stays much because famous writers, politicians, actors are pagan. here, you can say proudly that you are pagan, cuz you will never face the ignorance, pagans are even valued grately.
about the relics etc. yes, there are sanctuaries [they are alot different from those catholic, a pagan sanctuary can be between mounds, several holy stones, that are believed to gather spirits of elements and a stonecrafted fireplace - that's a sanctuary]. Ppl from all over the world gather to (for eg Kernave mound sanctuary) to fest June 24 (we, pagan call it the Dew-day). and even ppl from catholic church gather to listen to ancient chants.
then, there are ancient holly places, that are believed to be closest to nature. for eg holly woods, holly mounds/hills, holly stones. there are no praises/candles/flowers necessary to leave there, just to be in a holly place is a great unity with the nature.
again, some history, the last unchristened land, Ltu, was all surrounded by catholics untill duke Jogaila, who was lithuanian (poland was ruled by lithuanians a great period of time), decided to become the king of poland. but by marrying a polish princess he had to cristinisize (misspelled that word) himself and all the nation
to answer your question shortly: yes, there are authentic remnants of paganism. alot even... |
This surely is interesting. I have a couple more questions for you, if you don't mind...I'm wondering if you worship any god(s) and who those gods might be? Also, I'm kinda interested in how your mythology differs from the norse/germanic one. Are there any authentic pagans in Estonia or Latvia also?
Anyway, it's pretty interesting that there still exists a religion which I thought was vanquished by christianity a long time ago. Makes me want to visit Lithuania one day and see that for myself. |
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| xKaoSx |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ste
you are such a prat, you proved your post was bull yourself in your own post.... :haha:
since when do you have to be all knowing to believe in anything? twat. :stongue:
ps. VIO knows the score. the end. |
Your sig is creeping me the farg out.
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by xKaoSx
Your sig is creeping me the farg out.
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behehehe i was thinking the same thing :stongue: :haha:
however...i then feel better when i stare at your avatar :D |
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| Orbax |
You will believe what you want to believe and logic and facts will do nothing to change it.
VIO...paragraphs man...paragraphs. |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by electric_soul
that's why I founded atheism with christian dogma :haha:
PS: I never quite understood the fear to die :conf: someone who fears it please enlighten me |
So I enter your house and point a gun to your head and youll be indifferent? |
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