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Hamas just got owned! *WARNING: PICS* (pg. 10)
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| tatgirl |
| I didn't read this thread, but in a few hours I'm off to Israel for 6 days. Hope I make it back in 1 piece, and that Johan doesn't cancel his gig at the Dome on Friday. I'm staying in Tel Aviv only, so if u hear of any bad stuff happening any where else, I'm probably not anywhere near it. Back on the 30th- take care! |
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| Durafei |
Israeli's have just killed one of the biggest terrorists responsible for many deaths.
I think that's one of the smartest things they could've done at this point. I hope they continue their strategy of assassinating top terrorirsts instead of pointlessly invading Gaza etc all the time. |
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| Goashem |
| quote: | Originally posted by Muffin
I love it when people are trying to make it seem like this conflict has only been going on for a few years. The truth is this conflict has been going on since the creation of the State of Israel.
Does anyone here actually know how Israel was created? If so it might be a good idea to post it so that people who have no idea what they're talking about can at least get a clue.
Over the years there have been many cease-fires in the middle east. None of them were permenent but they were there. Syria is one recent example that was brought up in previous posts.
Israel is always hot on the gun and just waiting for an excuse to go into Palestine territory with their supperior, US-funded millitary.
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In 1917 Chaim Weizmann, scientist, statesman, and Zionist, persuaded the British government to issue a statement favoring the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. The statement which became known as the Balfour Declaration, was, in part, payment to the Jews for their support of the British against the Turks during World War I. After the war, the League of Nations ratified the declaration and in 1922 appointed Britain to rule in Palestine.
This course of events caused Jews to be optimistic about the eventual establishment of a homeland. Their optimism inspired the immigration to Palestine of Jews from many countries, particularly from Germany when Nazi persecution of Jews began. The arrival of many Jewish immigrants in the 1930s awakened Arab fears that Palestine would become a national homeland for Jews. By 1936 guerilla fighting had broken out between the Jews and Arabs. Unable to maintain peace, Britain issued a white paper in 1939 that restricted Jewish immigration into Palestine. The Jews, feeling betrayed, bitterly opposed the policy and looked to the United States for support.
While President Franklin D. Roosevelt appeared to be sympathetic to the Jewish cause, his assurances to the Arabs that the United States would not intervene without consulting both parties caused public uncertainty about his position. When President Harry S. Truman took office, he made clear that his sympathies were with the Jews and accepted the Balfour Declaration, explaining that it was in keeping with former President Woodrow Wilson's principle of "self determination." Truman initiated several studies of the Palestine situation that supported his belief that, as a result of the Holocaust, Jews were oppressed and also in need of a homeland. Throughout the Roosevelt and Truman administrations, the Departments of War and State, recognizing the possibility of a Soviet-Arab connection and the potential Arab restriction on Oil supplies to the United States, advised against U.S. intervention on behalf of the Jews.
Britain and the United States, in a joint effort to examine the dilemma, established the "Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry." In April 1946, the committee submitted recommendations that Palestine not be dominated by either Arabs or Jews. It concluded that attempts to establish nationhood or independence would result in civil strife; that a trusteeship agreement aimed at bringing Jews and Arabs together should be established by the United Nations; that full Jewish immigration be allowed into Palestine; and that two autonomous states be established with a strong central government to control Jerusalem, Bethlehem, and the Negev, the southernmost section of Palestine.
British, Arab, and Jewish reactions to the recommendations were not favorable. Jewish terrorism in Palestine antagonized the British, and by February 1947 Arab-Jewish communications had collapsed. Britain, anxious to rid itself of the problem, set the United Nations in motion, formally requesting on April 2, 1947, that the U.N. General Assembly set up the Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP). This committee recommended that the British mandate over Palestine be ended and that the territory be partitioned into two states. Jewish reaction was mixed -- some wanted control of all of Palestine; others realized that partition spelled hope for their dream of a homeland. The Arabs were not at all agreeable to the UNSCOP plan. In October the Arab League Council directed the governments of its member states to move troops to the Palestine border. Meanwhile, President Truman instructed the State Department to support the U.N. plan, and, reluctantly, it did so. On November 29, 1947, the partition plan was passed in the U.N. General Assembly.
UN Resolution 181, defined the outline of a settlement in Palestine creating both a Jewish and a Palestinian homeland. The 1947 UN Partition divided the area into three entities: a Jewish state, an Arab state, and an international zone around Jerusalem.
At midnight on May 14, 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel proclaimed the new State of Israel. On that same date the United States, in the person of President Truman, recognized the provisional Jewish government as de facto authority of the new Jewish state (de jure recognition was extended on January 31). The U.S. delegates to the U.N. and top ranking State Department officials were angered that Truman released his recognition statement to the press without notifying them first. On May 15, 1948, the Arab states issued their response statement and Arab armies invaded Israel and the first Arab-Israeli war began.
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That attack in syria you're refering to, isnt it the one targeted against the terror organization the hizbolla? the one that syria so strongly supports and gives it's land to as their home? and i think israel has every right to be hot on the gun seeing as the main goal of it's neighbours is to annihilate the existence of the jewish state. How many times by now the arab world joined forces in order to try and achieve this goal?! they have every right to defend themselves! |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
Israeli's have just killed one of the biggest terrorists responsible for many deaths.
I think that's one of the smartest things they could've done at this point. I hope they continue their strategy of assassinating top terrorirsts instead of pointlessly invading Gaza etc all the time. |
Im not even going to comment on the blind zionist whining that starsearcher posted.
With respect to your post Durafei, how is it smart to kill a man that the whole race of palestinians look up to as a spiritual leader. The man had no strategic input into the bombings themselves, he was basically a symbol of Hamas. Rantisi is the individual that is in the background, he hardly has a following.
Israel wanted to piss off the palestinians, so they killed a man in a wheel chair after he prayed.
Why else do you think the world leaders have condemned this act. |
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| torontotrance |
and the cycle of violence starts again
you know darn well that there are at least 20 others just like him and willing to take the place of the Hamas Spiritual Leader. This won't end, how many more innocent lives will be taken, people live in fear all the time, Isreal did this to it's own people. I wish peace could be achieved because the violence is solving nothing. Isreal kills a hamas or "terrorist leader" and then they strike back with someome blowing themselves up on a bus or in a marketplace or a carbomb, which kill innocent people that had nothing to do with the decisions. Then Isreal does it again and the cycle continues.....when are they going to shape up and decide enough is enough. Peace is needed, oh yes it is not easy but it is so terribly needed. |
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| d!abolic |
In my eyes, he lost his status and rights as a human being the day he started deliberately killing women and children. That's why i have no respect for him, and that's i laughed at his death.
I don't think it'll put an end to the conflict, but it's irrational to expect Israelis to sit there and do nothing as their buses, stores and nightclubs are being bombed.
It wasn't fair for Palestine to lose their land, but had they dealt with their occupation the way India dealt with theirs, things would have turned out differently. Killing civillians isn't the answer.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
its one thing to kill a terrorist
its another to laugh at someones death |
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| Muffin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Goashem
and i think israel has every right to be hot on the gun seeing as the main goal of it's neighbours is to annihilate the existence of the jewish state. How many times by now the arab world joined forces in order to try and achieve this goal?! they have every right to defend themselves! |
Why won't Israel declare an official war than?
With its supperior army it would be no match for the forces that govern Palistine and other neighbouring countries, Sharon finds as enemies of the state. Mind you they would have to follow the UN guidelines as to the treatment of POWs and civilians, but as a westernized country it believes it is it would have no problem doing that right? |
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| d!abolic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Muffin
Why won't Israel declare an official war than?
With its supperior army it would be no match for the forces that govern Palistine and other neighbouring countries, Sharon finds as enemies of the state. Mind you they would have to follow the UN guidelines as to the treatment of POWs and civilians, but as a westernized country it believes it is it would have no problem doing that right? |
So that's your argument? Israel won't declare war because they don't think they could treat the POWs right? Ugh. Israel's already been to war over this and it solved nothing. And besides, wars usually involve fighting enemy forces. Which exact forces would Israel fight, if Palestine doesn't have an army, and the terrorist groups only attack civillians? |
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| Muffin |
| quote: | Originally posted by d!abolic
And besides, wars usually involve fighting enemy forces. Which exact forces would Israel fight, if Palestine doesn't have an army, and the terrorist groups only attack civillians? |
This would allow Israel to go into Palestine, or any other neighbouring country, capture the top leaders of the terrorist organizations and hold them as POWs. If an organization has no leaders it can not function properly, rendering it useless. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by d!abolic
So that's your argument? Israel won't declare war because they don't think they could treat the POWs right? Ugh. Israel's already been to war over this and it solved nothing. And besides, wars usually involve fighting enemy forces. Which exact forces would Israel fight, if Palestine doesn't have an army, and the terrorist groups only attack civillians? |
how can you condemn terrorism, but not state sponsored terrorism????
more lives have been taken by the Israeli army than the suicide bombers! Not only within the west bank and gaza, but also Lebenon.
CANT FORGET THE TERRORIST MASSACRES OF SABRA AND SHATILA, conducted by Israels very own peaceful military:rolleyes: |
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| torontotrance |
| argument never ends.....we need peace. |
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| itikia |
Here are the 'high' precision weapons in use today:
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