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Hamas just got owned! *WARNING: PICS* (pg. 5)
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
LOL, that is so off-base it's actually funny.
Since when was there ever a "cease-fire" in the middle east? What rock have you been living under - the violence has been going on there for years, and the Palestinian rejection of the Camp David accords in 2000 without a counter-offer was the ultimate sign that they "didn't want peace."
Of course Hamas doesn't want peace, that's why they're strapping bombs to little children and blowing up buses. Why don't you go here and read the Hamas charter and tell me that it's peace that they want? Gimme a break... |
There was a cease fire agreement with Syria and Israel which Israel broke a couple months past when the fired rockets into villiages and empty bunkers they thought "housed terrorists".
I think what israel did was foolish. Knowing his assasination would fuel more hatred, espescially since he was killed in a disrespectful manner (as seen in palestinians eyes), Israel has essentially caused millions to want revenge.
They looked up to him as a "spiritual" leader... Saruman was basically going to die soon, but they had to assinate him, rather than Rantisi, who is actually the real mastermind behind HAMAS.
This man was seen as a big brother to many palestinians, he was the provider, fed them, clothed them, sheltered them. This will strike a real chord in the palestinian populace. |
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| psychosomatica |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
LOL, that is so off-base it's actually funny.
Since when was there ever a "cease-fire" in the middle east? What rock have you been living under - the violence has been going on there for years, and the Palestinian rejection of the Camp David accords in 2000 without a counter-offer was the ultimate sign that they "didn't want peace."
Of course Hamas doesn't want peace, that's why they're strapping bombs to little children and blowing up buses. Why don't you go here and read the Hamas charter and tell me that it's peace that they want? Gimme a break... |
You maybe equating Hamas with the palestinian people.. which would be incorrect.. Hamas is definitely not looking for peace.. but how much of the population is represented by Hamas? When your government is targetting Hamas, the issue is not whether Hamas is a terrorist organization.. but who else gets dragged into your gunship fire? Innocent people. When you fire missiles at an apartment building targetting somebody and the whole building collapses and kills every one else.. is it retaliation or unjustified slaughter.. |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | | When you fire missiles at an apartment building targetting somebody and the whole building collapses and kills every one else.. is it retaliation or unjustified slaughter.. |
Operations like these always use only high precision weapons...buildings never fell apart and collapsed on many innocent people.
But for another thing...how can you compare blowing up a bus FULL of civilians...or a coffee shop, or a restaurant, or a bus stop...you get the point...to a killing of a militant when a few bystenders get hurt of killed? Is there a difference here or do people not see it? |
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| d!abolic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
There was a cease fire agreement with Syria and Israel which Israel broke a couple months past when the fired rockets into villiages and empty bunkers they thought "housed terrorists".
I think what israel did was foolish. Knowing his assasination would fuel more hatred, espescially since he was killed in a disrespectful manner (as seen in palestinians eyes), Israel has essentially caused millions to want revenge.
They looked up to him as a "spiritual" leader... Saruman was basically going to die soon, but they had to assinate him, rather than Rantisi, who is actually the real mastermind behind HAMAS.
This man was seen as a big brother to many palestinians, he was the provider, fed them, clothed them, sheltered them. This will strike a real chord in the palestinian populace. |
What would you do if you were Sharon? Let him live so that he can continue bombing your civillians? I think not. |
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| starsearcher |
It's a complicated issue...when you are brainwashed...and your "spiritual leader" tells you it's good to kill and you should kill everyone...you believe him...and you do it...:rolleyes:
OH yeah and virgins are waiting for you in heaven and your family will be taken care of here on earth...forgot to mention that. |
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| d!abolic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Provitex
He's a stupid little |
Ahh i wonder if you'd have the balls to say that in real life |
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| d!abolic |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
It's a complicated issue...when you are brainwashed...and your "spiritual leader" tells you it's good to kill and you should kill everyone...you believe him...and you do it...:rolleyes:
OH yeah and virgins are waiting for you in heaven and your family will be taken care of here on earth...forgot to mention that. |
Didn't some cleric come forward awhile ago to say that the particular Koran passage was misinterpreted and doesn't actually mention any virgins? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
There was a cease fire agreement with Syria and Israel which Israel broke a couple months past when the fired rockets into villiages and empty bunkers they thought "housed terrorists".
I think what israel did was foolish. Knowing his assasination would fuel more hatred, espescially since he was killed in a disrespectful manner (as seen in palestinians eyes), Israel has essentially caused millions to want revenge.
They looked up to him as a "spiritual" leader... Saruman was basically going to die soon, but they had to assinate him, rather than Rantisi, who is actually the real mastermind behind HAMAS.
This man was seen as a big brother to many palestinians, he was the provider, fed them, clothed them, sheltered them. This will strike a real chord in the palestinian populace. |
Re: the cease fires with Syria and whatnot, well I guess you're right - to be honest I'm not really too familiar with the issue you're talking about but then again I don't follow every aspect of the whole middle-east conflict - but in any event I'm just focusing on this particular issue, so I don't see why something like that would need to be brought up; it seems immaterial.
As for the rest... well I understand where you're coming from, but let's be honest, Hamas' followers wanted "revenge" on Israel long before Yassin was assassinated. Their entire goal is the elimination of Israel. Are you saying that you think this will "stir up" the normally un-militant types into attacking Israelis? I dunno about that... people are either militant or non-militant by nature, at least the way I see it, and if they haven't already been setting off bombs then they're probably not going to start any time soon.
Perhaps it will fuel more hatred, but the hatred was already so strong that it can basically be likened to topping up a 3/4 full gas tank... yeah, maybe the attacks will escalate, for a while, but not by a hell of a lot. *Fear* is not a very good foundation for making political or military decisions, and I think that tactically, long-term, Israel probably made the right move (and by "right" I'm not speaking in moral terms, just purely on the basis of what is best for their own state).
But you never know, and it may turn out that you are right and I am wrong. We'll just have to wait and see I guess, right? |
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| Slag |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Operations like these always use only high precision weapons...buildings never fell apart and collapsed on many innocent people.
But for another thing...how can you compare blowing up a bus FULL of civilians...or a coffee shop, or a restaurant, or a bus stop...you get the point...to a killing of a militant when a few bystenders get hurt of killed? Is there a difference here or do people don't see it? |
How many so-called "smart weapons" have gone astray? http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Artic...DumbWeapons.htm
You think killing "a few bystenders" via collateral damage is ok? Shows what kind of ethics you have.:mad: |
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| Provitex |
| quote: | Originally posted by d!abolic
Ahh i wonder if you'd have the balls to say that in real life |
I wouldn't care much to talk with you in real life |
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| starsearcher |
Well Slag I never said killing innocent by standers was ok...I just don't like it when people see Israel killing innocent by standers as a REDICULOUS crime...while terrorist blowing up a bus full of civilians as a struggle for freedom...
and reagarding that article...It's actually true...but has nothing to do with what was said...no buildings have been leveled due to Israeli precision strikes. |
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| Provitex |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
It's a complicated issue...when you are brainwashed...and your "spiritual leader" tells you it's good to kill and you should kill everyone...you believe him...and you do it...:rolleyes:
OH yeah and virgins are waiting for you in heaven and your family will be taken care of here on earth...forgot to mention that. |
I don't think you should discuss matters such as these so bluntly because you obviously have no clue what you're talking about. |
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