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Hamas just got owned! *WARNING: PICS* (pg. 14)
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| Special K |
| quote: | Originally posted by disko-kandi
let's keep going with this holocaust!! ...the jews and israelis whine about WWII and hitler ... hahaha!! sorry, but that's a good joke! ARE THEY ANY BETTER? ask yourself! :wtf: |
same , different pile...
e.o.d. |
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| disko-kandi |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
It's bad enough that you automatically equate Jews with Israel, but the fact that you equate both of them to Hitler and the Holocaust is pathetic. Honestly, what a despiccable comment, I just lost a lot of respect for you.
As for the rest of your post... deal with it. Conflict is the single most prominent aspect of human nature, as it has been for many thousands of years dating back to when we lived in caves and had to kill animals for sustenance and fight for shelter in cold weather. What the hell are you expecting, that one day the entire human race will be holding hands and dancing under the rainbow in a massive cuddle puddle? Get real - that would undermine the very meaning of our existence. |
.... i will not go through your response and analyze every single thing you've just said. all i have to anwer to this is that i will not allow you to belittle me! u seemed to not have understood my comparison & its point thereof! u seem to be treating the holocaust as if it's something 'separate' from all the other mass killings and atrocities that have occurred and are still occurring! read smitty's response!
who are you to assume & to judge?
a piece of advice: those who ASS-U-ME make an ASS out of U and ME!
who are you to claim 'it's the meaning of our existence'? under your terms,we should all just prepare for anarchy then? we're doomed! why do we even bother to find peace or agreements?
and one last thing: the way you are arguing, you're no different than those fighting this war!
and stop throwing those power words around: despiccable and what else you come up with! ... again this just shows what (verbal) weapons you fight with and how ... THAT IS DESPICCABLE! |
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| disko-kandi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Special K
same , different pile...
e.o.d. |
it seems digiNUT that ur the only one who doesn't get it! |
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| disko-kandi |
oh yea and by the way:
I WILL NOT JUST SIT BACK AND ACCEPT THAT THIS IS HUMAN NATURE!
there is no legitimacy to this just because it's been proven time and time again over centuries. ... these wars and this hate is not shared BY ALL ..but by just a few on the top, and those who are just stupidly following the crowd whithout questioning.
just look in the paper yesterday & today. there was a 16 yr old palestinian boy yesterday who had a bomb strapped on ... ready to blow himself up ...
AND, today, it says that he was seized and that he was pleading to be let go. he said he was sorry, and that he'd changed his mind. that he wants to live. as it turns out he had no idea WHY he was doing it ... he was TOLD to do it! ...
i rest my case! |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by disko-kandi
.... i will not go through your response and analyze every single thing you've just said. all i have to anwer to this is that i will not allow you to belittle me! u seemed to not have understood my comparison & its point thereof! u seem to be treating the holocaust as if it's something 'separate' from all the other mass killings and atrocities that have occurred and are still occurring! read smitty's response!
who are you to assume & to judge?
a piece of advice: those who ASS-U-ME make an ASS out of U and ME!
who are you to claim 'it's the meaning of our existence'? under your terms,we should all just prepare for anarchy then? we're doomed! why do we even bother to find peace or agreements?
and one last thing: the way you are arguing, you're no different than those fighting this war!
and stop throwing those power words around: despiccable and what else you come up with! ... again this just shows what (verbal) weapons you fight with and how ... THAT IS DESPICCABLE! |
What's to assume? You equated Israel and Jews (at the same time) to Nazi Germany. That wasn't an assumption, it was quite clear in your post.
You can "not allow" whatever you want, but the fact remains that these arguments you're throwing out are just emotionally-charged, unsubstantiated, fallacious, and borderline anti-semitic tripe. Either have the evidence or at least a shred of logic to back up what you're posting, or don't post it. Sorry Silke, but the "you just don't understand what I'm trying to say" comeback lost its effectiveness after grade 8.
Don't start with the "who are you to say this" and "how dare you post that" - you're the one that decided to go off on a rant, make absolutely ridiculous claims, and not even try to back up your position. |
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| disko-kandi |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
What's to assume? You equated Israel and Jews (at the same time) to Nazi Germany. That wasn't an assumption, it was quite clear in your post.
You can "not allow" whatever you want, but the fact remains that these arguments you're throwing out are just emotionally-charged, unsubstantiated, fallacious, and borderline anti-semitic tripe. Either have the evidence or at least a shred of logic to back up what you're posting, or don't post it. Sorry Silke, but the "you just don't understand what I'm trying to say" comeback lost its effectiveness after grade 8.
Don't start with the "who are you to say this" and "how dare you post that" - you're the one that decided to go off on a rant, make absolutely ridiculous claims, and not even try to back up your position. |
I SAID ... STOP BELITTLING ME! |
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| Provitex |
| quote: | Originally posted by disko-kandi
as it turns out he had no idea WHY he was doing it ... he was TOLD to do it! ...
i rest my case! |
That's exactly right (if it were that).
Whoever believes this stuff... honestly... open your eyes.
The story is fake. |
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| disko-kandi |
before I go,
it seems that our young friend feels he has perspective to have an opinion on the subject. yet, he was a mere fetus when the last real star wars movie came out. this is the person we are giving audience to? he's only been out of the womb for what 20, 30 minutes tops. just giving him the benefit of the doubt. any hoo, i hope you learned something here. its not about winning the argument, it's about coming to a further understanding about a complex subject that affects, and will continue to affect the world around us, for all of our further days.
hang on, might i suggest that you save this thread so you can look at it in say a decade, then, maybe then, you may have the perspective to continue this discussion. at which point, I may be willing to hold court once again. |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by disko-kandi
I SAID ... STOP BELITTLING ME! |
If you'd care to post in a rational and unemotional matter, we'd take you more seriously.
So, you're claiming history is wrong, eh?
What are the prime motive for a conflict? Survival and greed.
Let's look at survival.
If you're stuck in a deserted island with another guy and only means of survival until the rescue plane comes is to kill the other guy and resort to cannibalism, would you do it? (taken from Starship Troopers)
If you had to steal from your neighbour in order to feed your kids, would you do it?
If a country takes measures in order to protect themselves by whatever means necessary, would you condemn it? Would you rather be you or someone you care for that die instead of someone else?
Greed. Well, greed is a human fault and it won't go away.
Why do people steal? Because they want something that others have and they can't get it, or they don't want to spend the resources to get it.
In case of a country, if a neighbouring country has a gold mine and yours don't, of course your country would want to have that gold mine. It's been like that for centuries; countries fighting over resources. Thank goodness countries don't go to war over greed (well, I guess I could be wrong), but humans still have greed and as long as there is greed, there is potential for conflict.
So, in order to survive and prevent other nations from taking advantage, countries get the means to protect themselves.
"A nation always has an army; either their own, or someone else's."
-Winston Churchill
One of my favourite quotes, it comes from ]Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein. (my fav. book)
| quote: | "Anyone who clings to the historically untrue - and throughly immoral - doctrine that 'violence never solves anything' I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon and Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler can referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon.
Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."
-Robert A. Heinlein |
And another piece of wisdom from James P. Hogan, in Paths to Otherwhere
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A strained look came over Sarah's face. She looked away. "How is it that othe rpeople don't seem to feel the revulsionthat I do for war and everything connected with it?... Kids who've never harmed anyone being taken away from their homes and brutalized into killing each other. Sometimes the thought makes me physically sick. How can anyone release weapons over cities full of defenseless people? I can't comprehend how anyone can even design them."
"It's not so strange," Calom said. "I think you'll find that most people feel the same way. But they do what they have to."
Sarah shook her head insistently. "It's what they're conditioned to do. Normal, sane people don't incinerate others alive, blow off their libs, shred them with fragmentation bombs.... It's as if they have some kind of switch inside them that can be pulled to let them go away and do unspeakable things. Then they can come back and be switched off again, and play with their grandchildren as if none of it ever happened."
"Is that how you think it works?" Calom said.
"I don't know. That's how it seems. All I know is that I couldn't do it," she told him.
"Not even if teverything you cared for was threatened?"
"There has to be a better way."
"People have been saying that for thousands of years. They've never found one."
"And look what the cost has been."
Both of them could see that they were not going to get anywhere... but even that was communication of a kind.
"Oh, of course it's a nice thought," Calom agreed. "But you're up against human nature. And you won't change that."
"Maybe human nature doesn't need changing. Maybe it just needs to be left alone, to be what it wants to be," Sarah suggested.
Calom shook his head. "Not in the read world. I know. I've seen too much of it." He moved to the doorway, then stoppped and looked back as a new thought occured to him. His mouth took on a sembrance of a smile. "But if you find another one that's different, let me know." |
It's been like that since the days of cavemen and no amount of 'civilization' is going to change that, despite how much we wish or want.
As long as there is one bad guy who thinks of taking advantage of others, there must be means to protect ourselves.
*phew* Talking about going off topic. :P |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
A great deal of which are actually caused by Palestinians themselves, and as recent evidence has started to indicate (which was presented in the PF but I'm sure you weren't going to mention here), much of them combatants despite being civilians. I think the whole "state-sponsored terrorism" theme is getting obsolete... Palestine's terrorism is state-sponsored, Israel is acting in defense. |
I think "terrorism" theme is getting a little exploited in the media and by zionists lately. That is the ONLY basis to justify their OCCUPATION, SETTLEMENT GROWTH, and CHECK POINTS on palestinian land. ...if you can call it a justification that is.
And what is a comabatant??? Is it a child throwing rocks at tanks? Women and children hiding under cover??? Men who take arms to fight for their freedom against the barrel of a tank which faces them since their birth? Why shouldnt these people defend themselves in the west bank and GAZA?? Why use the term "COMABATANT" and equate what they have as a legitimate form of defense against the worlds 5th strongest military?
These people are fighting with used guns, rocks, molotov cocktails and bombs strapped to their chests.
Do you honestly think that the "comabatants" that take arms actually deserve to be placed in a position where they must defend themeselves becuase there is no other choice? What would you do?? watch these soldiers, who have made your life, and your people's lives a living hell, beat up, demolish, patronize palestinian livelihood?
How is Palestine's terrorism "state-sponsored" when they dont even HAVE A STATE/GOVERNMENT/MILITARY???
One of the first prime ministers of Israel was the leader of a terrorist organization called Irgun. They killed HUNDREDS of palestinians and drove thousands away from their fomes in order to form a nation. MENACHIM BEGIN is his name.
How can you say occupation is defense??? Should the whole race of palestinians be collectively disciplined becuase of the actions of a few suicide bombers?
I have no sympathy for those who advocate this brutal and imperialist injustice towards people that have already had their nationhood taken away from them.
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Yes, it is, because this explosion targeted an islamic terrorist leader and his bodyguards - a decidedly military target - whereas the explosion that happens on a bus is a cowardly act for the sole purpose of killing as many innocent civilians as possible. Come on Cyrus - you've got a lot of good points, but I think you slack off when you argue about politics in the Toronto forum. The rationality of your post is poor at best. |
So its okay to irresponisibly strike a few people amongst a crowd knowing full well that collateral damage will and has been documented to kill more than the expected? There have been a number of times when these explosions dont even kill the intended targets, yet more civilians die as a result of them being at the "wrong place at the wrong time".... i guess that saying could be applied to the whole Gaza and West bank regions.
it is okay to shoot a missile into downtown toronto if the RCMP knew terrorists were going to plan an attack. Thats really efficient!
The fact that the IDF would COWARDLY go shoot missiles into shooping markets just reveals how much respect they have for human life.
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I suppose we should all be of the mind that death is death regardless of how or why it happened. I am not, however, and the critical fact that you ignore is why those Palestinians are killed. Yes, sure, there are some nutty IDF soldiers that are killing civilians, but many of the Palestinians who are killed are attacking soldiers or getting caught in the crossfire of someone else who attacked them. If the Palestinians had weapons, they'd be killing those soldiers and the deaths would be Israeli deaths instead. |
Those soldiers shouldnt be there in the first place! Those "nutty" IDf soldiers are not "some" but many. There have been documented cases of journalists with Flourescent media jackets being shot deliberately while they wave peace flags. These 18 year old IDf soldiers have just as much hate as those palestinians do,, but they have tanks and weapons to use to unleash that frustration with.
How is it that these well trained IDF soliders cant tell the difference between children, woman and journalists along side the freedom fighters with guns.
Many children have been killed as a result of the cold hearted trigger happy tendancies of these soldiers. Its been documented in the pol forums many times.
I consider those fighting the soldiers as CIVILIANS TAKING ARMS to defend themselves from the military machine oppressing their daily lives.
You seem to be defending the occupier and attacking the occupied.
These palestinians have it FAR worse than those israeli's who like to swim in their pools and have BBQ's.
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To Silke, Slag, Provitex, and all the other people posting the same dry arguments over and over again in this thread - supporters of Israel just can't win with you, can they? You scold and complain about how they're oppressing the people and killing civilians, and yet when they pick out the highest-level military targets and perform a perfect covert assassination killing no innocents whatsoever, it's still not good enough for you. |
Are you serious!!!!
This assasination will cause more death.. The palestinian hatred has been exponentially fueled.
They want DEATH now...they dont care for anything else but to kill those who support the government that has made them the angry people they are today.
This will further cause more death on the palestinian side as a result of further incursions when pals take their revenge on Israeli civilians/military targets.
The IMPLICATIONS of this act are more important than what actually happened.
And in actuality, innocents were killed in the assasination. But Yissin's stature vieled their deaths as he was more newsworthy.
remember... Yissin was the spiritual leader of Hamas... not the actual brains behind the network. Killing Rantisi would have been far more effective at reducing Hamas sponsored attacks.
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Was the target not good enough? The leader of the single most popular organization in Palestine with the sole mandate of obliterating the state of Israel? |
No it wasnt good enough. He was more of a father like figure to the populace than an actual planner of attacks. The guy was in a ing wheel chair.. hardly able to talk or see and they killed a what they call a "strategic target"
Give me a break.
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Or maybe Israel should have just politely asked him to turn himself into the nearest police station? Tell him to stop hiding? Tell him to leave his bodyguards at home that day? |
Israel should have gone in and arrested Rantisi than cause an uproar of hate and vengence.
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Seems like the only way for Israel to appease the likes of you would be to unilaterally surrender to all the terrorists' demands. Well, it's a damn good thing that YOU are not the ones that Israel cares about. One thing to add would be how you vigilantly speak of human rights and refer to the U.N. resolution which [according to some interpretations] states that Israel should be withdrawing from Palestine. And yet, when speaking historically, that same U.N. is the entity that you bash constantly for helping to implement the initial partitioning. So when it suits your purposes, the U.N. is right, but when it doesn't, they are wrong. Speaking of double standards... |
The UN that existed in 48 is a much different organization than it is today. You cant compare the decisions made then to now.
the actions of israel are oppressive, thats a fact. Zionists cannot deal with this so they constantly utilize the same repetive notion of israel being the victim of terrorist crimes. They justify collective punishment ad occupation.. whichis sickening.
Israel essentially blocks itself peace peace negotiations. They proclaim the condemnation of terrorism, label anything palesitnian or arab as being terrorist, and thus remove the chance of discusing steps to end this . They put themselves in a situation that removes the chance for dialogue.
They have the power to do more about the situtation than the palestinians do. Instead they place hegemony ontop of their to do list, and number one task is maintaining the occupation so that palestinians cant have their own nation or share israel.
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I'm not even going to comment on all the America-bashing; I think Canadians have a way of being insecure and feeling the need to constantly bash the USA, but honestly, this country is , and maybe you should take a good hard look at our own pathetic left-wing communist slacker welfare state before you bash them. |
Bashing America is legitimate in this issue becuase they provide the support (militarily and politically) for Israel to continue this humanitarian injustice. They are the ones that donate the tanks which demolish palestinian homes... they are the ones that proved helicopter gunships which shoot misiles into neighborhoods, they are the ones that condemn the terrorist actions of palestinians, but turn their face when massacres like Jenin occur.
The list goes on. Israel is essentially an American military outpost in the middle east. |
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| EvilTree |
LOL. I'll let diginut have fun with this post. But I'll reply to one comment.
| quote: | | The fact that the IDF would COWARDLY go shoot missiles into shooping markets just reveals how much respect they have for human life. |
I'd rather use a chopper to blow up a bad guy rather then go in with infantry and try to apprehend the bad guy and get in a street fight, which would possible cause more people to die.
If it comes to a choice between me and my buddies or the bad guys, I'd rather see the bad guys get whacked. I think I'll live with doing things the safest for my guys. |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by EvilTree
Obviously you aren't aware that the word 'assassination' can be used in terms of killing of someone important. |
hahahhaha
good one....
looks like u obviously dont know that the hamas leader killed WAS IMPORTANT.
think twice before u try to make stupid comebacks |
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