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gay guys who use their sexual preference to their advantage...... (pg. 9)
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| naesean3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorwhore
Does this mean your gay 99% of the time, and 1% of the time you go for the punani?? Kind of supports my original question.... if you're predominantly gay, would'nt that make you Bi?? Hrrrrrm. |
Only because you asked these questions because it is of interest to you it seems and the fact that you dissected my post and agreed to really nothing I had to say orignially.
I have slept with both sexes - and have found both experiences to be pleasurable. Does that make me bi-sexual - who knows. I have usually balked against being "labeled" anything because I am an individual and have my own reasons for why this has happened like this. I had girlfriends throughout highschool - I was not out because of peer pressure/shame/insecurity whatever (Catholic School upbringing sure as hell didn't help either!!).
Regardless of the reasons they were MY reasons - looking back on it - I was ing stupid to let straight society make me feel ashamed of myself and supress what I knew was my true desires.
Now I also have a huge respect for women and do enjoy their company. Alot of gays hate/disrespect women.........its a fact - did you know this??
I would never rule out the future possibility of sexual unions with women because I am a very open minded person and choose not to place limits on myself in that way anymore.
If I feel it I feel it.......now the majority of the time - the guy will always win out in this situation with me (I am most attracted to the Male sex) but I have been involved in 3-somes with both guys and girl and I think that I am the "outsider" because they were couples to begin with - I WAS INVITED - I WAS NOT HOOKING IT UP WITH PLOYS OR LIES - as you earlier stated "all bi-sexual/ fake gay men do for the sake of getting the PUNANI."
| quote: | | Originally posted by Floorwhore Call me old fashioned, but how is slapping asses of supposed friends 'sexy'? Also - it's only non-threatening when it's conducted by both parties.... when it's just the guy doing it, it becomes threatening. |
I wont call you old-fashioned but maybe a bit conservative to think that 2 grown adults cannot be totally aware of what they are doing and enjoy flirting with each other. Why can't this be considered sexy?? - I see it this way and so have many other of my girlfriends and guy friends too I may add. I may have the liberty to be a bit more sexually free with my conquests than most and therefore view sex a little differently than you do and for various reasons (we don't normally have to wine and dine each other for months to get to 3rd base - 2 guys just get to business so to speak). Guys have an ability to detach themselves emotionally from sex and not necessarily have to be in love to commit the act. This is no way an excuse for adverse disrectful behaviours towards the women in my life - but it is a point of mind that I am coming from and many women understand this because they are also the seductress within their relationships and use their sexuality to curry certain favours and get what they most desire.
| quote: | | Originally posted by Floorwhore I smell bull. |
Now there is a argumentative statement Jeff - if you are speaking in respect to something directly that I have done - that would be the only reason for you to say this "smell bull" statement. Otherwise you have never talked to me about this before and are basing accusations or insuating that I am lying on lack of direct facts or communication with me. For you to say you know this to be true 100% - I really do fail to see how this is possible when it is simply not the case. I am prepared to "go to term" with this one in my defence.
| quote: | | Originally posted by Floorwhore I think you're right with this point - with the first line. Thats how it usually starts, but for most it ends completely opposite. The gropping is actually more constant from what i've heard with most girls. |
Ok thanks for the partial marks - but you have to understand - there are always 2 sides to a story. I have been with girlfriends who dance with me - their boyfriends get pissed - and give them . They backpeddle and say they did not really ask for that and blah blah blah.......it's kinda like cheating and getting caught - of course people always get mad at the other person which is bull - your girl cheats/flirts/strays on you - that is your to bring to her.....she broke your trust not someone that doesn't care or even know about you half the time.
Mainly my point in this is that - if I have been flirty with girls and they are the types to be like this with their boyfriends acting all innocent when caught and can't stick up for their own actions and up to their boyfriends - I am like "sorry honey - go find another fag to rub your ass up on - or better yet get the out of here! That is a serious mindgame that maybe you wanna get punched in the face for - but not I." THAT!
| quote: | | Originally posted by Floorwhore Huh? |
reposted - what clarification do you need??? I supplied some information on the mystery of BI-SEXUALISM????
"Most bi-guys like the girl aspect more - and just are open minded to the closeness of a man to man friendship and the fooling around that it can entail because guys are always horny.
This is where some intention can be blurred and misread or mis-interpreted - when you are now including a 100% pool of sexuality to choose from (guys and girls as potential mates) - reasons for sexual union become less clearly defined and more emotionally/sporadically declared as reasons for craving one over the other. Having the best of both worlds can be a curse or a blessing. Each individual makes their choices accordingly."
| quote: | | Originally posted by Floorwhore Sounds like a pretty defensive statement there..... |
maybe - there have been a couple comments made within the TA community about which way I go to bat - (and at first I was kinda pissed becuase they were said in a negative and spiteful manner and we are all supposed to be friends right?) but I don't really care anymore and haven't for a while now.
Now I have had some serious talks with a few people from Trance Addict and they know exactly where I stand and if anyone else took the time to ask me - I would tell them the same things.
Tatgirl, Dance2dabeat, MagikB, Beach420, Nada, _TAMIKO_, B4K-OZ, Muzzybear, Lisa-Loo and Irishaddict are a few of these girls and I am sure they will vouch for me in this department. I have had the opportunity to talk with them about this because they cared enough to listen or actually inquired.
Some people who have made off-handed comments have not asked me and they are the same people who gossip and natter about others all the time (we all know who these people are) one person in particular I was really quite disappointed in because I spent a fair bit of personal time and effort helping out and listening when they had a few problems they were going through - other people bitched about their "constant" drama - but I didn't care - I thought we were friends and felt glad if I could help.
So ya that was ty when I fould out but I do realize I have many friends - so I cut them off (negative nancies) - done! I learned a fair bit this summer and the value of certain friendships - especially ones formed ed up on drugs and without normal development patterns (non-club events and outings and real sober conversations and commongrounds laid down). It is not a secret that I may not be perfect but I sure as hell am not a complete idiot and worthless. And many sitations this year I felt bad about myself because of things I could control and some things I could not. Well not anymore.
Now I have made it known many times on these forums that I despise gossip and fakeness towards others (obviously not everyone has the ability to get along - this is nothing foreign to people I am sure) - I couldn't stand it in highschool (most of my friends were older and more mature for the record) and I sure as hell don't enjoy it 15 years after the fact.
When I first read this thread - I had the comment that had been uttered about my sexuality floating in the back of my mind and maybe my apology was a indirect/direct way of apologizing for any misconstrued notions people may have had about any of my actions and hopefully laid some ghosts to rest.
I for one Jeff knew your girlfriend before you (just so happens) and we always got along - she thought I was a nice guy and always treated me with respect whenever I would see her at Boa. Should I now alter my future correspondence with her because of this thread you posted??? I feel that I now have to - as you felt the need to question my intentions sexually with the many women I hang out with and did not seem to support anything that I posted within my first post.
Maybe a few of you out there in TA land have no concept of gay lifestyles and the complexities that they can be encompass and make uninformed judgements automatically (just as straight lifestyles can be too - complex - there are many shades of grey).
Again - there are many reasons why people are attracted to each other and sometimes we are not even sure why some people evoke a sexual stimulation in us while towards others we feel nothing.
Just because you can identify with someone in one way (sexually or otherwise) doesn't mean it is the same across the board. There are many people who experiment and try things for the sake of their own personal development and reassurances. Who am I to judge someone by whom the screw. There are many reasons why people do the things they do. And I hope I have made some points clear as to why I do the things that I do.
IF ANYONE NEEDS ANY FURTHER CLARIFICATION BY ALL MEANS PM ME AND WE CAN CHAT. I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE MISCONSTRUED HALFTRUTHS FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT BOTHERED TO ASK ME PERSONALLY.
With regards to your original statement of gays using their position to lure/lull/trick straight women into sexual conjugations in multiple sex party scenarios - AGAIN from my experience this is not the normal way of gay males. Gay men like men and the few that "dip their sticks in both pouches" - so what to each his own.
I do agree laying bare false pretenses and entrapment is shady (it would be in any situation regardless of it being sexual or not)- but if I am presented with the option of another 3some situation with a girl and guy involved - you bet for damn sure that it is something that we have all agreed to and will quite enjoy because it is what was wanted in the first place and as mature sexual beings - we are more than entitled to it if we want it to happen.
thanks for reading
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| naesean3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trip McNeely
+1 naesean3 |
+1 - to everything I have stated?????
really?? - if not feel free to please explain.
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| Trip McNeely |
| quote: | Originally posted by naesean3
+1 - to everything I have stated?????
really?? - if not feel free to please explain.
:disbelief |
+1 for defending yourself and your opinions especially when this guy is clearly misinterpretting your previous post. Keepin cool about it is definately +1. I would of been mad if someone called me an out right liar and trashed my points without offering any strong counter points.
Im not gay, but its also bull that a straight guy is telling you how gay people (including you) are acting and for what reasons. Floorwhore is HOMO-HATING on ya bro! |
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| Orko |
Great thread!
Lucky for us, that TA has such a mixed community, we can actually get opinions from every involved party. |
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| naesean3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trip McNeely
+1 for defending yourself and your opinions especially when this guy is clearly misinterpretting your previous post. Keepin cool about it is definately +1. I would of been mad if someone called me an out right liar and trashed my points without offering any strong counter points.
Im not gay, but its also bull that a straight guy is telling you how gay people (including you) are acting and for what reasons. Floorwhore is HOMO-HATING on ya bro! |
fair enough
and for the record - I was a little taken back from Floorwhores comment because I know him personally and this had never been an issue as far as I know it concerning me and him.
and with the lack of even a single supporting of many valid statements that others had concurred with in agreement in my orignal post - made me post this in retaliation - as a defence of my stance on the situation.
I would not go so far as to say HOMO-HATING that is a bit extreme - bit maybe some unjust misunderstanding or insecurity has brought this on and for that I feel bad for him.
But you cannot paint everyone with the same brush.....that is another of my main points - you do not know until you ask and only then you only know what you THINK you know because of what has been told to you.
I have laid it out - any further unfounded comments made about this topic towards me that are not in accordance with what I have posted (doubting my intentions...etc) - are purely one talking out their ass and therefore directly disrespecting towards me.
Thanks for your support and the +1
nice to see people who can see others point of view even if they don't completely understand it.
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| tatgirl |
| Jeff- u are really coming off like you are personally attacking Sean. It looks like you're using him to represent all your resentment towards every gay guy that does this behavior you're suspicious of, and if that is the case, its not cool at all. He's giving u the insite u asked for. Don't call 'bull' on his honest answers, just cuz u dont like HIS truth. |
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| 5hiftn6ears |
| I see where your coming from Sean, agree with some of your points, and disagree with alot of them too. The main problem I have with this whole topic is the times when gay/bi guys are fully aware of the status of me and my gf, but yet continue to try and cop a feel. For me personnaly, it's a huge sign of disrespect to me and my gf, and shows really bad morals on their part. I've been letting it go for quite some time now...but how many times does she have to constantly dance away from them, shoot dirty looks or come looking for me cause she's found herself in a "gay guy sandwhich"?..... |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trip McNeely
+1 naesean3 |
oh its TRIP MCNEELY!
dude u were a in legend.
its in Trip Mcneely |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by 5hiftn6ears
I see where your coming from Sean, agree with some of your points, and disagree with alot of them too. The main problem I have with this whole topic is the times when gay/bi guys are fully aware of the status of me and my gf, but yet continue to try and cop a feel. For me personnaly, it's a huge sign of disrespect to me and my gf, and shows really bad morals on their part. I've been letting it go for quite some time now...but how many times does she have to constantly dance away from them, shoot dirty looks or come looking for me cause she's found herself in a "gay guy sandwhich"?..... |
sure sure steve ur "girlfriend" was in the gay sandwhich eh???
out with it man, u were the bologne in the middle of the 5 assorted meat sub. ;)
prolly had mayo all over u and had black olives bouncing off ur forehead.
i keed i keed |
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| 5hiftn6ears |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vivid Boy
had black olives bouncing off ur forehead.
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oh yeah?!...well that's where you're wrong....i don't date black guys |
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| Vivid Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by 5hiftn6ears
oh yeah?!...well that's where you're wrong....i don't date black guys |
:stongue: :stongue:
that was good :P |
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