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Gareth Emery: 95% of Trance is Cheesy Bollocks (pg. 10)
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
For 's sake man- learn how to use paragraphs! |
There ya go! |
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| Roger Federer |
Gareth Emery says 95% of Trance is Cheesy Bollocks
Does anyone see the irony in this statement ? :stongue: |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Roger Federer
Gareth Emery says 95% of Trance is Cheesy Bollocks
Does anyone see the irony in this statement ? :stongue: |
No, that's why nobody in this thread has made any kind of wise-cracks about it. :rolleyes: |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Roger Federer
Gareth Emery says 95% of Trance is Cheesy Bollocks
Does anyone see the irony in this statement ? :stongue: |
dammit lock, you really nailed that one! |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Intrigue
But it does take itself too seriously. I mean, come on, you honestly don't see the enormous amount of cocksucking the trance dj's get and how they are worshipped on the highest pedestals like they are some sort of religous profit and can do no wrong? You honestly don't see how sap-happy many (not all, of course) trance listeners get when they talk about all of this "so-called" spiritual and out-of-body euphoria, almost as if they are a little bit too wrapped up and feel the need to over-emphasize their emotions because wow, it's trance, the music from another world? You honestly don't see how trance gets so involved with this aspect that less emphasis is placed on the actual music and innovation, but rather placed upon what it does, or what it is supposed to do or not do (like SYSTEM-J said)?
The other dance genres don't act like this, nor do they try to act all high and mighty either like they are trying to hard to do something or force you to feel a certain way like above. Trance does this, and in my perception, it is very apparent, especially after reading many of the posts on here and on other dance music message boards. I just think that trance has become its own worst enemy and has also become gimmicky to an extent because of this. |
firstly, the entire first paragraph of that can be answered by the second sentence of my post you quoted... did you skim over it or something? :conf: (not being funny or anything)
it seems that just because some listeners take it seriously and worship DJs like the second coming, you assume the producers behind the music intend it that way... which is what i really don't get. i'll re-emphasise; i CAN see what you're on about, however i think you're placing the blame in the wrong department, since myself and many others are capable of appreciating trance as little more than a type of music, in the same way i'd appreciate other types i listen to. it's not the music that's at fault!
| quote: | I personally dislike trance, mainly because I value different things in the music I listen to other than what is found in the trance genres. So, it's all about house/techno/downtempo for me. However, house is more casual and laid-back with emphasis on chilling and having a good time, rather than the constant "must have that fast-paced euphoric rush, must feel like I'm flying in space" seriousness of trance.
Again, that's just me, so read into it what you want. |
i enjoy the euphoric rush, it feels good. it rarely sweeps me off my feet in this day & age but i'm good with that, i wouldn't want that 'flying in space' feeling (as you put it) too often ;) ... but at the end of things, it's feel-good music. whether it be lying back in my bed with my headphones on in a state of escapism, or jumping around crazily with friends in a club... the emphasis from my point of view is always about feeling happy, and that's pretty much why i enjoy it despite acknowledging all its flaws
obviously it boils down to personal taste at the end of it, but i feel some people try to justify not liking something a little too much sometimes. some people enjoy that little emotional 'extra' trance has, some don't, some like marmite spread, some don't, c'est la vie ;)
(i also disagree with system-j's notion that trance is categorized based on what it does. there are plenty of 'trance' tunes that don't sound like they were ever meant to put anyone in a trance of any kind, be it euphoric, hypnotic, etc. but that may just be me) |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Axolotyl
All good EDM is based around musical innovation |
this is another statement i disagree with, personally. i think stuff can still sound good without sounding original, be it EDM or non-EDM. indie has been using the same style of guitars for decades, what's wrong with trance using the same style of synths? :wtf:
(the above question was rhetoric and slightly tongue-in-cheek... just demonstrates my viewpoint a little. one i wish more people would possess sometimes!) |
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| isoterra |
(last post in a row this i promise!!!)
two other random tidbits of thought:
- speaking of genres all about emotional connection & spiritual detatchment & all that jazz, why doesn't ambient ever get slated?
- there's a massive wave of trance cained by armin, tiesto, ferry, pvd & just about every ing trance dj out there worth his salt (including gareth emery) over the past few years that no-one has mentioned in this discussion.. namely TECHTRANCE. love it, loathe it, slate it for stealing the name from the old oliver lieb sound or whatever, but it has ALOT less emphasis on the emotional/euphoric aspect of trance. yet the anti-trance crusade seem to overlook it whenever conjouring up arguments against the genre.. despite it getting just as much airtime in many playlists as the euphoric kind. it's still trance! |
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| Thois |
| All DJs take their jobs soooo seriously :whip: |
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| basd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Thois
All DJs take their jobs soooo seriously :whip: |
Shouldn't they? |
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| Zombie0915 |
Maybe I need to lighten up with the things I write.
I'm not pruposely "taking trance too seriously" and I don't force myself to like formulaic tunes or ignore facts. I get sick of alot of this music too, I'm not trying to tell you guys that trance is some special holy thing on a higher plane of existance or immune to criticism.
I like this music because it can be used as a substitute for everyday radio music in addition to working on a dance floor. I can walk around with it in my cd player, in my car, on my computer, and still be entertained. The other styles seem to be strictly dancefloor musics, focusing entirely on rythm and low end, which is not enjoyable unless you are standing up and on a dancefloor. I liked trance because I wanted to hear machines sing, I was interested in finding a music to replace top40 and rock music as your everyday sound track. I actually had very little interest in going out and dancing until I had read party reports. I was more interested in funding a substitute for clearchannel and MTV music, and an experience equivalent to going to a pop show except that I would fit in with the crowd instead of stand out as the awkward geek.
So I'll just openly admit it, I got into trance by looking for a substitute for pop music which was as fascinated with machines as I am. Wasn't looking for dancing, wasn't looking for some spiritual journey, I got interested in that stuff later. I wanted something I could share with my friends, I wanted to have my own little group of kids at the schoolyard with their own style of music, was just trying to find my niche in the social hierarchy and thought trance would make a good choice because there were alot of people involved and because it sounded alot like pop music for machines. I was no underground purist, at that point in my life I had no interest in autonomous zones or finding a crowd of nonjudgemental people, which is what I'm kinda intrested in these days. I wanted to be "cool" in my own way, so I would drive around with BT blasting out of my car all the time.
If you are strictly into this for dancing then of course you would prefer house or breaks or something, those things are all about rumbling basses and dancable rythms, but I can't listen to that music in the car, when I'm sitting down I need more than rytyhm and basslines to keep me interested. Trance is just the happy medium, energetic yet peaceful, dancable yet listenable, a balance between singsong and boomboomboomboom. I was a kid full of adrenaline so I wanted something energetic and fun with lots of synthplay, so I got into trance music.
Calling myself Zombie0915 is more of a reference to cyberspace than it is to some special holy feeling that comes from trance music. It was a reference to all the times people said "you just wait until you grow up and get into the real world" which I heard quite often when I was a child. I picked the handle long before I got interested in Trance music.
So im not trying to take this stuff too serious, I dont mean to sound as if I am, I do write these huge posts and argue a bunch but it is only over stuff that I feel are innapropriate assumptions, not because I have some special commitment to defending trance. So please stop thinking of me as this weird cult worshiping character. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
Maybe I need to lighten up with the things I write.
I'm not pruposely "taking trance too seriously" and I don't force myself to like formulaic tunes or ignore facts. I get sick of alot of this music too, I'm not trying to tell you guys that trance is some special holy thing on a higher plane of existance or immune to criticism.
I like this music because it can be used as a substitute for everyday radio music in addition to working on a dance floor. I can walk around with it in my cd player, in my car, on my computer, and still be entertained. The other styles seem to be strictly dancefloor musics, focusing entirely on rythm and low end, which is not enjoyable unless you are standing up and on a dancefloor. I liked trance because I wanted to hear machines sing, I was interested in finding a music to replace top40 and rock music as your everyday sound track. I actually had very little interest in going out and dancing until I had read party reports. I was more interested in funding a substitute for clearchannel and MTV music, and an experience equivalent to going to a pop show except that I would fit in with the crowd instead of stand out as the awkward geek.
So I'll just openly admit it, I got into trance by looking for a substitute for pop music which was as fascinated with machines as I am. Wasn't looking for dancing, wasn't looking for some spiritual journey, I got interested in that stuff later. I wanted something I could share with my friends, I wanted to have my own little group of kids at the schoolyard with their own style of music, was just trying to find my niche in the social hierarchy and thought trance would make a good choice because there were alot of people involved and because it sounded alot like pop music for machines. I was no underground purist, at that point in my life I had no interest in autonomous zones or finding a crowd of nonjudgemental people, which is what I'm kinda intrested in these days. I wanted to be "cool" in my own way, so I would drive around with BT blasting out of my car all the time.
If you are strictly into this for dancing then of course you would prefer house or breaks or something, those things are all about rumbling basses and dancable rythms, but I can't listen to that music in the car, when I'm sitting down I need more than rytyhm and basslines to keep me interested. Trance is just the happy medium, energetic yet peaceful, dancable yet listenable, a balance between singsong and boomboomboomboom. I was a kid full of adrenaline so I wanted something energetic and fun with lots of synthplay, so I got into trance music.
Calling myself Zombie0915 is more of a reference to cyberspace than it is to some special holy feeling that comes from trance music. It was a reference to all the times people said "you just wait until you grow up and get into the real world" which I heard quite often when I was a child. I picked the handle long before I got interested in Trance music.
So im not trying to take this stuff too serious, I dont mean to sound as if I am, I do write these huge posts and argue a bunch but it is only over stuff that I feel are innapropriate assumptions, not because I have some special commitment to defending trance. So please stop thinking of me as this weird cult worshiping character. |
Exactly, this is the same for me. I never started out liking this music or enjoyed it because I thought of it as spiritual. This wasn't my initial point in liking the music, merely after listening to it for so many years, I came to the realization of it this way because of it's profound effect on me, but I don't think of it as "Worshipping the music" but experiencing the music in a way that is reflective, that puts images in your mind, that gives you a feeling of "Euphoria" that rush that takes you away from the world for a while, no different than a good epic movie or novel. Thats how I think of GOOD trance music as, not neccessarily some cult like phenomenon, but something almost along the lines of classical music, which has a profound effect. I very much think of trance as a modern form of classical. Surely it's not the same as classical, but often times I can compare it to classical, with it's layers, it's melodies, it's soundscapes, it's qualities that set it aside from "popular" music, but trance molds this into a popular music phenomenon. Maybe I should lightenen up to, however maybe some other people should stop making us out to be weirdos, and perhaps open their minds up to trance being more than just this electronic dance music you listen to at clubs and perhaps see it for it's compositional, emotional and musical qualities other than looking at it as just another form of dance music. Maybe more artists should think as classical composers would with this music, making some really great compositions, rather than just music they think would go down on the dance floor well. If you don't think this, then look at Chicane's old stuff, thats the best example I could give you for "Trance" compositions. Even Paul van Dyk's stuff could sometimes be considered this as well. I'm just looking for more open mindedness about the music, less just dance floor stuff or club stuff, but musical masterpieces. I'm not looking for all this formulaic stuff but quality listening music, not just quality dance music. |
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| DJ Intrigue |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Exactly, this is the same for me. I never started out liking this music or enjoyed it because I thought of it as spiritual. This wasn't my initial point in liking the music, merely after listening to it for so many years, I came to the realization of it this way because of it's profound effect on me, but I don't think of it as "Worshipping the music" but experiencing the music in a way that is reflective, that puts images in your mind, that gives you a feeling of "Euphoria" that rush that takes you away from the world for a while, no different than a good epic movie or novel. Thats how I think of GOOD trance music as, not neccessarily some cult like phenomenon, but something almost along the lines of classical music, which has a profound effect. I very much think of trance as a modern form of classical. Surely it's not the same as classical, but often times I can compare it to classical, with it's layers, it's melodies, it's soundscapes, it's qualities that set it aside from "popular" music, but trance molds this into a popular music phenomenon. Maybe I should lightenen up to, however maybe some other people should stop making us out to be weirdos, and perhaps open their minds up to trance being more than just this electronic dance music you listen to at clubs and perhaps see it for it's compositional, emotional and musical qualities other than looking at it as just another form of dance music. Maybe more artists should think as classical composers would with this music, making some really great compositions, rather than just music they think would go down on the dance floor well. If you don't think this, then look at Chicane's old stuff, thats the best example I could give you for "Trance" compositions. Even Paul van Dyk's stuff could sometimes be considered this as well. I'm just looking for more open mindedness about the music, less just dance floor stuff or club stuff, but musical masterpieces. I'm not looking for all this formulaic stuff but quality listening music, not just quality dance music. |
If I came across as making you out to be a weido, I apologize and that wasn't my intention at all, I just simply feel like some people take the music (trance) so analytical and think just a little bit too deep about things, that's all... and as much as I don't want to say it, I almost feel like there is a "brainwashing" effect going on since everyone seems to focus entirely on this so-called spirituality and nothing else.
Honestly, I just have to chuckle a bit when I read posts regarding this mindset and how serious and almost how shallow some of the sentences come across to me, and believe me, they do come across as very hoaky and forced at times which makes me question those people to an extent. That's basically what I'm trying to say, and by no means am I putting down the natural emotion and feelings that can be felt by music, because hey, I feel the same damn way about house/downtempo/acid jazz. I just don't feel the absolute need to be all floaty about it and say, "Oh wow, that house music, you know it just makes me feel all happy and warm inside, so much so that it is the best music in the entire world and I'm just so in love with the beauty and the hypnotic layers." That just sounds very predisposed to me, and if there is one thing I can't stand, it's fakeness and unfortunately, that is how I see many of these posts (and the trance scene as well). Maybe it's just because I'm more of an easy-going and casual type of guy who doesn't feel the need to get totally philisophical about things such as music... and music has been my number one interest since 4th grade, so I don't know.
I also feel like trance, and specifically trance, is very one-sided and sterile that it is no longer about evoking different types of moods or activities such as just having a good time or whatever, but rather about over-trying to give the listener a false, must-have heavenly experience. Trance, IMO tries too hard and I feel if the genre, the listeners, and the dj's/producers would lighten up somewhat and stop overthinking things, my assertions on this would probably change.
I think I'm done with this now. |
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