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Gareth Emery: 95% of Trance is Cheesy Bollocks (pg. 13)
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| Nayil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Semirk
Nor is yours.
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| ArgentinaHouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJMaytag
I don't mean for this to turn into a flame Darude fest like some may have directed this into, I just want to put my perspective to this part of the thread before I respond to a few things to get back on topic...
I spin a 4.5 hour set every Saturday night at a club where I reside, and I'm often asked what I'm going to play tonight, to which I always have to reply, "I don't know, I'll find out when I start spinning". I have my records sorted by tempo (which in my bag + box ranges from 125 to 140 bpm) and a small section in the back of the bag which is where I put my breaks tunes (completely unsorted). That's about the extent of the organization I do (sure every couple weeks I grab a few out of the gig collection and throw in all new choons of the week plus a handful of classics and/or recent older tunes from the past 5 years that I think I MIGHT play in the next few weeks).
Personally I find it hard to believe that there is a "best" spot for mixing in and out of any given track, since there are so many variables (ie intro/outro length) with what track comes before and/or after that I don't even really bother with knowing the "perfect" spot... I just know or can feel out where to drop the next track in make it sound tight to keep the flow going or when to create some separation when I need to come down a touch before raising the energy level back up again.
Back to "I don't know, I'll find out when I start spinning", I usually start out with a group of 5 or 6 tracks I'd like to play as my first track before I get to the club, and I judge which one to play based on the feel of the early crowd (often times picking something other than those 5 or 6!). From there I just program on the fly, judging which feel or vibe is needed, grabbing tracks that fit the bill). Based on the reaction from the (finicky) barstaff, club patrons and club ownership, I do a pretty damn good job of it (their words, not mine... not tryin to be cocky here).
While I don't get that many tracks a month, I do get quite a few (40 on average these days), but I still am able to feel these things intuitively without much more than needle dropping a new tune in a few spots to listen to it. Some may have that natural feel to new music, some may not... those that don't may just need to do whatever it takes to compensate. It would be easy for me to criticise because I don't need to take notes (not even for CDR's), but I say whatever works for you is the best way for you to DJ.
Some of my best sets have come from a box of new records that I got in the mail just HOURS before a gig or (live) demo recording. Some of my WORST sets have come from trying to think too much or force certain tracks into a set.
For an example, here's a recording of my set from New Years Eve, programmed 100% on the fly, with a ton of new tunes that arrived in the nick of time for the night that I had little time to listen to beforehand: DJMaytag Live @ Venus De Milo NYE 2005 |
Hey buddy nice myspace. Awesome, that you have Marco V as your number one buddy on your top 8.
Very impressive, seems you are very calculating in your set preparation. Im sure MARCO V really notices that when you go on GIGs with him.
Oh wait a second, you dont........ :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
who are you again...:nervous: |
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| ArgentinaHouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joca
PS. Did you spin or produce first? I'm guessing you started to produce first. |
and you?
did you spin, produce, or leech mp3s on a hub first? |
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| Hydroid |
WOOOOOOOOOOOOT! what a discussion :D :D
well , lets give my opinion here (nobody gives a tho but i'll do it anyway :) )
first of all i think gareth is right! not 95 but 90% is !
yeah i know it sucks but it is! trance nowdays its the same trance as it was in 1998 i don't agree with the ppl that says the tracks were better then.
i think trance was better then but from another reason , it was new! all those trancy riffs and euphoric melos , those banging beats it was new! but today tons of producers (mostly the newcomers) doing the same tricks that were made 5 or 6 yrs ago , same sounds , same everything. any you guys (and me of course) get board of it :(
i also think that 90% of every freaking music style is !
i think the main reason for all of this is the internet that opened the door for a lot of new producers (yes even me!)and most of them are ! (maybe me aswell you decide).
and the labels that sign sooooooooooooooooooo much today. its just awefull to see labels that got some name going on in the scene releasing pure , super annoying. :mad:
i tell you the truth i know i'v got some things that are generic aswell and i would'nt sign them. if it was my label i would'nt sign them! also got some things that i'm proud of and think that they are really original :D
someone said something that really touched me :
the ppl the problem with trance is that the ppl that think it sucks trying to move on. the ones who stay are the ones who thinks its all bright.
its true , its sad but! and its a big but , i think that like in everything in life the wheel keep spinnin and trance will b on top again , and i'll love it till death and i'll produce trance till the last day of my life.
don't get me wrong its good to produce other things aswell (i do funky house , chill out and other ) but trance will b number one :D not cuz of money , not cuz of fame , CUZ OF LOVE! :) |
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| darudevil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joca
PS. Did you spin or produce first? I'm guessing you started to produce first. |
I produced first, then performed live for a couple of years, then started djing on the side for the fun of it a couple of years ago and now I mainly tour as a dj, but I do occasional live sets, too.
Maytag, I didn't mean to underestimate your talent, I'm sorry. Personally I find it quite impossible to spin a "spot on" set without getting to know the tracks beforehand (Don't get me wrong though, I do "all freestyle" sets here and there, sometimes play b2b with my friends etc). It's great that it works for you.
Ville/Darude |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hydroid
WOOOOOOOOOOOOT! what a discussion :D :D
well , lets give my opinion here (nobody gives a tho but i'll do it anyway :) )
first of all i think gareth is right! not 95 but 90% is !
yeah i know it sucks but it is! trance nowdays its the same trance as it was in 1998 i don't agree with the ppl that says the tracks were better then.
i think trance was better then but from another reason , it was new! all those trancy riffs and euphoric melos , those banging beats it was new! but today tons of producers (mostly the newcomers) doing the same tricks that were made 5 or 6 yrs ago , same sounds , same everything. any you guys (and me of course) get board of it :(
i also think that 90% of every freaking music style is !
i think the main reason for all of this is the internet that opened the door for a lot of new producers (yes even me!)and most of them are ! (maybe me aswell you decide).
and the labels that sign sooooooooooooooooooo much today. its just awefull to see labels that got some name going on in the scene releasing pure , super annoying. :mad:
i tell you the truth i know i'v got some things that are generic aswell and i would'nt sign them. if it was my label i would'nt sign them! also got some things that i'm proud of and think that they are really original :D
someone said something that really touched me :
the ppl the problem with trance is that the ppl that think it sucks trying to move on. the ones who stay are the ones who thinks its all bright.
its true , its sad but! and its a big but , i think that like in everything in life the wheel keep spinnin and trance will b on top again , and i'll love it till death and i'll produce trance till the last day of my life.
don't get me wrong its good to produce other things aswell (i do funky house , chill out and other ) but trance will b number one :D not cuz of money , not cuz of fame , CUZ OF LOVE! :) |
you are late. I've been saying that for the last 3 years or so :toocool:
Ona sidenote it is very true that labels today (mainly digital ones) sign ANYTHING they can find. One of my friends got asked the other day by two labels after he posted a half finished tune here on TA. And the tune isn't even something special. But they wanted him instantly and after looking at their websites you could tell that they signed anything no matter how crap it was. |
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| Hydroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
you are late. I've been saying that for the last 3 years or so :toocool:
Ona sidenote it is very true that labels today (mainly digital ones) sign ANYTHING they can find. One of my friends got asked the other day by two labels after he posted a half finished tune here on TA. And the tune isn't even something special. But they wanted him instantly and after looking at their websites you could tell that they signed anything no matter how crap it was. |
yep that's just one example from 10000000000000000000000 others...
btw i saw you guys discussing about this all pre-planned set thing.
well what i do is just think of some tracks i want to play there and smth for the intro , nothing but that cuz i want to b flexible tho i hear the tracks few times to get a bit of idea how to mix them tight.
but i'm not an example lol so....:tongue2 :tongue2 |
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| Dinaire Force 1 |
arrrrrg i cant believe i read this entire thread!
this isnt news. its always been like this. majority of the releases suck and a very small % is solid. this has been the case for a decade but now with the internet, chances are you will come by more releases than going to your local record shop to listen to what the buyer decides to take in their store. also, we are getting buried with a lot of amateur productions that shouldnt be considered as releases.
some argue that trance nowadays isnt what it used to be and often times i agree but the other day i was transfering old vinyl to WAV and listened to some of those "classic" tracks back in the day and said to myself "wow, trance music sounds tighter now than 8 or 9 years ago." maybe the creative aspect isnt as present but the production quality blows it away.
oh well, this debate can go on and will go on for years to come. my suggestion? stop getting bent on "trance" and look for "good music." too much of any genre in a set sucks no matter what. have a little variety. change up the moods, bpms and genres, thats truly epic!
Victor Dinaire
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| Dinaire Force 1 |
Also, I want to comment:
Not sure what went down in Victoria Re:Darude but I can say 2 things:
I have a lot of respect for Darude as an artist and he's a great DJ live. Ive had the pleasure of checking him out at On Broadway in San Diego and had him as a guest on my Resident Nation show. Im sure he takes his job seriously and I doubt he plans his entire set.
Also, I dont know the degree of "cheat sheets" but using CDS or digtal files are much different than flipping through vinyls. When you flip through your record box, its quicker and easier to jog your memory with tracks not to mention you wont miss anything which is common when you have tons of text to sift through. looking at cdr's or digital readouts doesnt have the same visual memory like a vinyl sleeve does. Im not sure if im articulating this correctly but even I have problems remembering tracks that I want to play. Anything that helps with your memory is a good thing IMO. Since I made the complete changeover to CD's this has been my # 1 problem. Maybe thats Darude's way on how he catalog's his music?
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| Joca |
| quote: | Originally posted by ArgentinaHouse
and you?
did you spin, produce, or leech mp3s on a hub first? |
Spun first, I BUY my mp3's and I do not produce, but yes, i'm a nobody which is really what you are implying. |
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| Numidia |
Okay... let's just clear on thing up:
JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE A STYLE OF MUSIC ANYMORE DOESN'T MEAN IT SUCKS!!!!!
let's go through this... look at rap, rock, classical, country... within those genres the music of course is similar, just like many uplifting trance tunes are similar.
Now if you find uplifting trance generic of boring now, fine, move on. Good for you. But don't tell the rest of the people who still like that they have bad taste. That's just arrogant.
And remember... the Proggier sound of trance isn't new anymore. I'm not saying it's bad, some of it I even like but please don't claim that it's fresh! It's been around for years and has developed it's own set of cliches (sidechaining, pulse/sin stabs with loads of delay etc...). So should we stop listening to prog trance now too? No of course not even though that style of music has become just as "generic" as uplifting trance. |
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