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Gareth Emery: 95% of Trance is Cheesy Bollocks (pg. 8)
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Ok you all can just conclude i'm weird, i'm fine with that. I've always been weird, never have exactly "fit in" with the crowd, but at the same time I was never one of those who sat in the corner and talked to no one and was anti-social, quite the contrary. Just someone who thinks to much, and yeah it sometimes drives other people and it drives me sometimes crazy too! |
haha, was nothing personal :p ...long philosophical posts can be an interesting read at times when bored! |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by CHRles
I kinda hate how people always like to bash Trance when compared to other genres. |
That's because the other genres don't take themselves seriously.
Check your premises. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
That's because the other genres don't take themselves seriously.
Check your premises. |
Yeah, Drum n Bass doesn't take itself seriously. :stongue: |
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| isoterra |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Yeah, Drum n Bass doesn't take itself seriously. :stongue: |
so true. i told a harmless joke about drum & bass to its face once... it didn't like it and threatened to stab me :eek: |
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| Clovis86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cobalt
Yeah, Drum n Bass doesn't take itself seriously. :stongue: |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | | when I think trance, I think "elevated moods" "heightened state of awareness" and feelings of being beyond oneself. |
Then for all you claim to be, you aren't paying a lick of attention to what I'm saying, and I'll say it the third time: this is not trance. It is the opposite of trance. Trance is the lack of mood in the traditional sense, it is a minimalism of awareness. When in a trance, one has not the capacity for ecstacy.
| quote: | | I dunno what epic trance your talking about but quite a few are "ethereal", and ethereal typically means other worldly. |
In this case, it's my usage of ethereal that seems to be incorrect. I'm taking ethereal to mean "made of ether" in the aristotlean sense, that is, of the substance that comprises outer space; spacy, if you will. It is a dark, empty atmosphere as opposed to heavenly and full. The majority of epic trance fails at the former effect, and tries to make do with the latter, which simply doesn't entrance.
| quote: | | One of the most basic, oldest forms of music is "trance", as drumming was used to in a sense, communicate with the gods and allow tribal peoples to go beyond oneself and in a sense, communicate with a higher power, have an altered state of consciousness. |
Nail. Head. Hit. But you must understand, these tribal cultures also recognized that communion with the gods required a clear mind, not one that is pumped full of serotonin and endorphins. Where do you think the notion of meditation came from in the first place?
Many cultures actually recognised that the state of orgasm is in fact the same as that of a trance (modern science has shown that brain activity during orgasm actually dips to a minimum), and used the sexual experience to commune with the gods. This seems to be counterintuitive, what with sex always described in terms of ecstacy and energy, but it's very telling when people who have achieved a trancelike state describe it as though it were an orgasm.
So there is a positive draw to trance; there is something of a "euphoria." It just requires work on the listener's part. Instead, most people forego the more difficult form and prefer the artificial happiness that the majority of epic trance evokes. That they are often aided by amphetamines only shows, to me, that this artificial happiness isn't enough, while those capable of meditation have been achieving trance since long before amphetamines existed.
And don't assume I'm against melodies in general. I'm only opposed to the straightforward ones, the ones that exist simply for the quick fix. The ones that contrast with the hypnotic effect of the sounds of real trance. Unfortunately for trance, the majority of the stuff that gets put out is such straightforward stuff. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Why the is trance the only genre which seems to be defined by what it does, rather than what it sounds like? |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by isoterra
so true. i told a harmless joke about drum & bass to its face once... it didn't like it and threatened to stab me :eek: |
I don't risk joking about drum n bass to its face. It always gives me that steely look of death whenever I smile in its general direction. :nervous: |
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| Zombie0915 |
wow somebody called me out, I wasn't even gonna say anything. I can pick out 20 trance songs in random and only find 1 that I enjoy, no sense in disagreeing with him.
That last thing about the seratonin though, E has been shown to reduce your brain activity, if the point is to reduce your brain activity then E is more an aid then a distraction.
I think kinda like swamper on this issue, the word "trance" is a taboo word, it is assiciated with some really awful stuff. So people take measures to detatch themselves from it. Whenever somebody makes some variation on trance, they market it under a different name, despite it being undeniably trancy. Every time trance evolves, tries something different, does something new and interesting, trance doesn't get the credit for it because they pigeonhole it into something else in attempt to separate it from the typical trance. Trance is defined so specifically that every time a new and interesting variation comes around it gets classifeid into different categories. There is plenty of good "trance" around but they call it other stuff because trance is a term that is not socially acceptable among the heads of the dance world. If people were willing to accept that their music was trance rather than forcing everyone to call it something else then there would be an overabundance of great trance and not nearly as much confusion in record stores.
I had no idea you people were even reading this stuff that I keep posting, this is a bit of a shock for me, that people are remembering my posts and talking about me when I am not around, I honestly thought my presence here was not all that noticable. |
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| DJ Intrigue |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Why the is trance the only genre which seems to be defined by what it does, rather than what it sounds like? |
Because trance is the only genre that takes itself so seriously in regards to being some sort of magical "sent-from-the-heavens" type of music that takes you to the highest highs of euphoria, and unfortunately with that predisposed outlook, the music in itself tries too hard to provide this so-called "ethereal spirituality" that the main focus of the music is shifted into this type of falsified mindset which many people don't seem to realize.
Personally, I think that type of mentality is waaaayyy to analytical and deep thinking (jeez, it's just music, not quantum studies!), not to mention, a bit sugar-coated as well. Sure, music provides for a certain amount of emotions and feelings within people, myself included, but to the degree that trance listeners make it out to be, I can't help but laugh a little bit. |
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| Axolotyl |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Why the is trance the only genre which seems to be defined by what it does, rather than what it sounds like? |
Because trance used to be about innovation and pushing the limits of sound and synthesis. It was also about taking you on a mental journey or sorts. Somehow all this really important stuff has been handed over to psy and progressive and well... trance just seems to be about making grown men cry with beautiful lyrics and tracks that sound a lot like shampoo commercials. It also really desperately wants to be electro or house now by most indications and has this ing stupid desire to be played to people in stadiums. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
That last thing about the seratonin though, E has been shown to reduce your brain activity, if the point is to reduce your brain activity then E is more an aid then a distraction. |
I wasn't aware of this. It doesn't really change the nature of its use to enhance the straighforward, boring anthems that have been assailing our ears for seven years. In the end, it shouldn't be necessary to produce a trance either way, since, as I said, people have been making do without it for thousands of years.
| quote: | | I think kinda like swamper on this issue, the word "trance" is a taboo word, it is assiciated with some really awful stuff. So people take measures to detatch themselves from it. Whenever somebody makes some variation on trance, they market it under a different name, despite it being undeniably trancy. Every time trance evolves, tries something different, does something new and interesting, trance doesn't get the credit for it because they pigeonhole it into something else in attempt to separate it from the typical trance. Trance is defined so specifically that every time a new and interesting variation comes around it gets classifeid into different categories. There is plenty of good "trance" around but they call it other stuff because trance is a term that is not socially acceptable among the heads of the dance world. If people were willing to accept that their music was trance rather than forcing everyone to call it something else then there would be an overabundance of great trance and not nearly as much confusion in record stores. |
+1
The name "trance" needs more respect. Part of the problem is that it's such a marketing pariah now. Even psy has begun to abandon the name.
| quote: | | Why the is trance the only genre which seems to be defined by what it does, rather than what it sounds like? |
Because that's the only thing that really distinguishes it from the other genres. Take away the entrancing aspects, and most of it can fit into another niche.
The fact that trance is defined by what it does could also be the reason it takes itself so seriously, come to think of it. |
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