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All the cheap bashing on mainstream trance... (pg. 29)
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
You should just order a beef patty alone. Now that's minimal! :cool: |
thats gross man |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
thats gross man |
How about just the hamburger bun? :p |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
How about just the hamburger bun? :p |
thats the john cage burger |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by PETRAN
There is so much PLUR in this thread haha. Those kids probably had a great time. |
Been thinking about this...it's a lot easier to generate "PLUR" on a board where everyone has similar tastes. I think a big part of the acrimony and division visible on TA is due to the fact that its user base has grown a lot more diverse in musical taste, either through new people joining or the preferences of old users mutating... |
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| kr00t0n |
What I don't get it why it seems impossible for people expand their musical horizons without throwing to the side anything they used to like.
Why can't a person like both minimal and unicorn trance? Why do the genres have to be so segregated in taste circles? |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by kr00t0n
What I don't get it why it seems impossible for people expand their musical horizons without throwing to the side anything they used to like.
Why can't a person like both minimal and unicorn trance? Why do the genres have to be so segregated in taste circles? |
I suppose they don't have to.
What turned me off more than the actual music itself was the culture surrounding it, namely the huge lines, guido-infested clubs, exorbitant prices, autograph signing, etc. i hated that no one danced at these parties, just pumped their fists. i got sick and tired of waiting for the breakdowns to end so i could start dancing again. i hated that i could predict every chord change and transition. i would be in the center of a party and look around at all the kids and be reminded of growing up in a catholic family at church. the more i learned about the history of the music, the more i realized how much more exciting and fresh it must have been. i became more interested in the mystery of something new and unknown, rather than knowing all the tracks armin van buuren or paul van dyk would play during their set and then reading a complete ID list on a review when I returned.
Also there are other factors such as the lack of dynamics and space in the mixing of these tracks that make them tiresome to my ears.
I was never into euphoric trance to begin with, always the darker, hypnotic stuff like steve birch, j00f, manwithnoname, oliver lieb, etc. And I still listen to oliver lieb and old goa trance quite enjoyably. The euphoric stuff just became silly and noisy to me, i don't know how else to explain it. there comes a point in everyone's life where you can't listen to the words "this is where you saw my naked soul" sung by a bikini bimbo without cracking up.
I like minimalism in techno, but for me minimalism is a production technique which becomes valuable in deejaying for telling a story and manipulating the pathway through the field of emotions. You don't make a set out of all minimal tracks, but a minimal track between two non-minimal tracks can create moments of concentration and emotional intensity, or just a really solid groove for a good couple minutes of dancing.
I think there are powerful psychological images that minimalism implies - there is a movement from clarity to cloudiness, the edge of the wood, the border between consciousness and unconsciousness, there is the movement toward unification, to the primordial state, rebirth... and then back again. for me the most powerful image of the minimal dub/ambient stuff is that of water, water as an immersive primordial state of matter from which everything emerges and takes form. this is the essence of creation, and i think it's a really fundamentally powerful thing to do in a dj set - that is break it down and then build it back up.
so many religions include creation myths that begin with utterance, music, and otherwise sound... not a coincidence imo. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
What turned me off more than the actual music itself was the culture surrounding it, namely the huge lines, guido-infested clubs, exorbitant prices, autograph signing, etc. i hated that no one danced at these parties, just pumped their fists. i got sick and tired of waiting for the breakdowns to end so i could start dancing again. i hated that i could predict every chord change and transition. i would be in the center of a party and look around at all the kids and be reminded of growing up in a catholic family at church. the more i learned about the history of the music, the more i realized how much more exciting and fresh it must have been. i became more interested in the mystery of something new and unknown, rather than knowing all the tracks armin van buuren or paul van dyk would play during their set and then reading a complete ID list on a review when I returned. |
^ Basically the same for me. I want something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4LR1a_l8rw&fmt=18
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| nefardec |
this party was kind of like that |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
Cool. I've never been to anything that seemed remotely like it, personally. :( |
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| Barachem |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
No, barachem. My brother is very open-minded, and i don't hate him lol. I dont force anything on him or judge him for his taste. When I'm in his car we listen to Ferry Corsten and Paul Oakenfold. |
Nah, i did not imply that you hated him.
Good that you don't judge him.
It just seemed that when you were talking about closedmindedness after talking about your brother's repeated returns to trance after being showed other music, that you were implying that he was being closedminded.
But you were talking about closedmindedness among music listeners in general.
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
I suppose they don't have to.
What turned me off more than the actual music itself was the culture surrounding it, namely the huge lines, guido-infested clubs, exorbitant prices, autograph signing, etc. i hated that no one danced at these parties, just pumped their fists. i got sick and tired of waiting for the breakdowns to end so i could start dancing again. i hated that i could predict every chord change and transition. i would be in the center of a party and look around at all the kids and be reminded of growing up in a catholic family at church. the more i learned about the history of the music, the more i realized how much more exciting and fresh it must have been. i became more interested in the mystery of something new and unknown, rather than knowing all the tracks armin van buuren or paul van dyk would play during their set and then reading a complete ID list on a review when I returned. |
I can relate.
Back in the days when i occasionally went to the local dance bars and discos, the resident CD spinners span all kinds of music, among which dance and trance, i'm talking about the 2000-2003 era here.
The dance and trance spun was the regular popular e, but i danced on it because there was nothing else to dance to.
And yeas, the dutch versions of guidos and macho guys and all the popular guys were there, just nodding along, trying to look and move "cool" and impress other guys and especially the girls.
I just danced my butt off when the tracks allowed it and got much more than my fair share of ridicule for it from guys and girls.
Even when i came to live where i live i attended some trance parties and even there the showing off by guys and girls was there, among with the ridiculing of me dancing.
Dang, i just wanted to dance to nice trance.
Worse even, the stuff they play at events here, even if it is a trance event, it's just mostly e to mediocre stuff and i have problems getting to dance.
So i know and understand the problems you have with the scene and much of the tracks themselves.
In fact, i'm what one could call a raver who's hooked on the good part of modern trance.
No need for showing off or reaching for the lazers, just dance to the good trance tracks mixed in the right way and everything is great.
I have no DJ or producer heroes and take mixes and tracks at face value.
| quote: | | Originally posted by nefardec Also there are other factors such as the lack of dynamics and space in the mixing of these tracks that make them tiresome to my ears. |
Yeah, sometimes overcompression is problematic.
| quote: | | Originally posted by nefardec I was never into euphoric trance to begin with, always the darker, hypnotic stuff like steve birch, j00f, manwithnoname, oliver lieb, etc. And I still listen to oliver lieb and old goa trance quite enjoyably. |
I'll be honest, i don't like the darker, hypnotic stuff and have a strong preference for the melodically and harmonically driven euphoric and psychedelic stuff.
That's why i like euphoric trance, prog trance and psy-trance most.
| quote: | | Originally posted by nefardec The euphoric stuff just became silly and noisy to me, i don't know how else to explain it. there comes a point in everyone's life where you can't listen to the words "this is where you saw my naked soul" sung by a bikini bimbo without cracking up. |
I hate ty tracks and ty to solid tracks with ty lyrics.
But Scooter still has some great stuff, even if it's cheese baked in cheddar and garnished with parmesan.
Meh, maybe i'm just rambling on too much. |
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| elFreak |
| you live in san antonio. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by elFreak
you live in san antonio. |
No joke. |
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