Originally posted by PETRAN
Ah i knew that we would agree in the end lol.
I pretty much thought that complexity equals variation and/or "alteration" as you say, at least in music. I mean a jazz piece would inevitably have a lot of variation (if you pay attention) not? (like you are not possibly going to find repetition) How else can you say that something is complex?
I knew that the word "complex" would be confusing...(in a complicated way...lol)
while structural complexity and variation usually cooccur in classical music and jazz (especially jazz that is famous for its harmonic, textural, and rhythmic variations), i find that such complexity is neither necessary nor sufficient in order for inlying variation to transpire. it is not necessary because, as i suggested earlier, you could have a simple piece consisting of a single part performed in multiple keys, which would yield a similar result. alternatively, you could simply alter the tempo, utilize schönberg's serial transformation technique, or make use of some other change that preserves the overall structure as well as its initial degree of intricacy (e.g. heterophony that only involves one melody throughout). it is not sufficient because it is possible to have structurally complex pieces that revolve around a single theme with very little variation in tonality, harmony, key. and even in jazz, the early dixieland as pioneered by the o.d.j.b. often relied on ensemble choruses that were rather repetitive and offered little alteration overall (though it did have a tendency to be multithemed, afaik) despite using the same instrumentation as the modern styles (piano, trumpet, trombone, tuba, sax, clarinet, drums) as well as complex syncopated rhythms. this is especially true of the o.d.j.b. itself, as the band employed hardly any improvisation at all.
sean5
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sean5
and smokin blunts 4:20
Meat187
I can't help but laugh at the ridiculous philosophical discussion this thread has become. :stongue:
Mr.Mystery
Anyone gonna reach a conclusion of any kind soon?
Trance-MB
My conclusion is that Stoneface & Terminal-Blueprint played at ASOT 368 is a brilliant track which remembers me of mid 90's tracks. (@1:14 is the sound I mean and I really like)
And believe it or not, it even doesn't have vocals.
People should focus on the tracks they like and not the ones they don't. Same for listening ASOT.
Thank you Armin for playing it, Thank you Stoneface & Terminal for producing it.
Don't think there will be a real conclusion on this subject.
sljiva
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
Thank you Armin for playing it, Thank you Stoneface & Terminal for producing it.
And thank you for posting it. Now I'm even more determined that I shouldn't check out everything that gets posted here.
creon444
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
And believe it or not, it even doesn't have vocals.
No wei! To hell with such novelty. This is way too daring of them.
Trance-MB
You're welcome, never thought a post of me could be such a help ;)
PETRAN
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Originally posted by Meat187
I can't help but laugh at the ridiculous philosophical discussion this thread has become. :stongue:
The only ridiculous post is yours lol!
nefardec
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Originally posted by Trance-MB
My conclusion is that Stoneface & Terminal-Blueprint played at ASOT 368 is a brilliant track which remembers me of mid 90's tracks. (@1:14 is the sound I mean and I really like)
And believe it or not, it even doesn't have vocals.
not at all. maybe ty overproduced mid-90s tracks?
this is 1995:
hypnotic, driving, and ecstatic at the same time, subtle and ambient (atmospheric, immersive) in the approach.
as 808 state put it, 'the extended pleasure of dance'
PETRAN
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Originally posted by nefardec
not at all. maybe ty overproduced mid-90s tracks?
this is 1995:
hypnotic, driving, and ecstatic at the same time, subtle and ambient (atmospheric, immersive) in the approach.
as 808 state put it, 'the extended pleasure of dance'
That track was actually very mid-end 90s Paul Van Dykish/LSG-influenced track. Like a copy or something.Its ok lol. Hey don't bash "overproduction" i love it. M83 and all that shoegaze stuff are based on overproduction :toocool: (if such a concept actually exists because it is very relative)
