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Garbage Strike 2009 (pg. 13)
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
[FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#99CCEE]Sigh. Some people take the Keynesian bull they teach in school far too seriously. Almost all of what the unions were originally fighting for is already in our labour code. I'll bet 96 sick days that the majority of people who talk up the unions have never read one single word out of the ESA.
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Actually, I have read the Employment Standards Act. Good luck trying to "enforce" that in a non union environment in which you have no representation. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
i think we might get cought |
Stop being so negative. We'd obviously use a smaller one, it doesn't have to shoot that far. Tint the windows, tape a garbage bag over the rear license plate, and we're set! |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Actually, I have read the Employment Standards Act. Good luck trying to "enforce" that in a non union environment in which you have no representation. |
See, this is what happens when you spend your life in school, you start making idiotic assumptions about how the private sector works.
I work in a completely "non union" environment and there are posters plastered all over the kitchen with bullet points from the ESA. It's the law. In most companies, even just the threat of being sued is more than enough to convince a company to give an employee whatever he/she is entitled to under the Act.
You do not need unions and strikes to ensure that people obey the law. For suggesting otherwise, I dub thee a complete ing asshat. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
See, this is what happens when you spend your life in school, you start making idiotic assumptions about how the private sector works.
I work in a completely "non union" environment and there are posters plastered all over the kitchen with bullet points from the ESA. It's the law. In most companies, even just the threat of being sued is more than enough to convince a company to give an employee whatever he/she is entitled to under the Act.
You do not need unions and strikes to ensure that people obey the law. For suggesting otherwise, I dub thee a complete ing asshat. |
and you likely sit behind a desk working in an office in a cubicle all day right? That makes you some how better than all the lowly blue collar guys who have physically taxing jobs in sectors that have been unionised for decades?
It's almost like you're being deliberately obtuse. Employees are treated poorly far more often than the rosey picture you seem to want to paint. Maybe your office isn't bad, but my mom's for example, certainly is.
And what is this BS about spending my whole life in school? I apologise if I am more educated than you and that it makes you feel insecure. |
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| timmyboy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
I apologise if I am more educated than you and that it makes you feel insecure. |
just out of curiosity what degrees do you hold and from where? |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by timmyboy
just out of curiosity what degrees do you hold and from where? |
Honors BA (UWO), MA (Laurier/Waterloo/Guelph joint program) and BEd (UWO). But it doesn't matter, since I was being facetious. But again, I wonder, what is wrong with spending time in school becoming educated before you enter the work force? Seriously, don't give me that "spend all your life in school don't' know anything" BS. |
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| timmyboy |
| theres nothing wrong with it... higher education is obviously something to strive for but there are a number of people staying in university for the sake of being there... trying to avoid the "real world"... but thats neither here nor there |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
and educate the youth of tomorrow, bla bla? That's what I do and if I remember correctly, secondary school teachers are considered professionals? I am as much a professional (I have 3 degrees hanging on my wall) as RJ or anyone on here that considers themselves' "professionals". I also belong to a union. Yet, I'm still a professional. I also work my goddamn ass off and (probably) put in more time than a lot of you when it all adds up, but I do not look down on garbage men for their "unskilled uneducated" work. A lot of those guys have a better work ethic and are much tougher people than a lot of so called "professionals". The high and mighty talk on here is abundant, eh? |
Whoa there cowboy... looks like you've read a whole load into what I was saying... all I'm saying is that the sanitation workers command less then professionals because damn near anyone can do their job. I outright stated that importance wasn't really a factor and I make no derogatory statements about unions. Damn buddy... relax. |
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| Jayx1 |
On one hand I agree with her. But i think the babying is coming mostly from city hall. The fact that so many permits have been cancelled and that the city wont allow you to do basic things without permits like take pictures in a park is pretty babyish. Torontonians do need to demand better from city hall and in this case, if this is what she is referring to, pupatello is right.
| quote: | Liberal Minister: Torontonians a 'bunch of babies'
Economic Development and Trade Minister Sandra Pupatello has apologized for calling Torontonians a "bunch of babies" in their response to the garbage strike.
At a news conference promoting a cabinet shuffle yesterday morning, Pupatello, who hails from Windsor, was asked what she thinks about the reaction of Toronto resident to the city's strike.
When leaving the room, she said to one reporter, "bunch of babies."
The comment appeared to be a joke, but Pupatello later issued an apology for her "off-the-cuff remark" comparing the 11-week Windsor strike to the three-day-old Toronto strike. "I apologize for my comment," Pupatello said. "In both communities, people and businesses are being inconvenienced. I urge both sides, in Windsor and Toronto, to keep working at the negotiating table to resolve their issues quickly."
Windsor workers, including their garbage collectors, walked off the job back in April to protect post-retirement benefits for new hires.
In Toronto, 24,000 inside and outside workers went on strike Monday morning, shutting down city-run pools and daycares, and cancelling island ferry service and garbage collection. |
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| Intangible |
Should garbage collection be considered an essential service?
Dalton doesn't want to force the strikers back to work as he wants to give both sides a chance to have their voices heard and work something out. Fair enough.... BUT I really think garbage collection should be considered essential to the city of Toronto.
For a city the size of our with a flourishing hospitality, food, and tourism industry I can not fathom how this is NOT an essential service.
Restaurants are forced to close down patios as nearby alleys smell so bad.
Our city is already looking disgusting due to litterers/dumpers.
Rodents and bugs are going to become a huge issue.
Rotting garbage creates many health concerns.
Dalton needs to force the garbage collectors back to work. If OTHER city workers (who are very valuable to the city but not essential to the city) want to keep striking, let them but garbage collectors are NEEDED to keep this city functioning. |
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| Jayx1 |
| Dont count on it. Dalton is a union lover also. Dont you suddenly wish Mike Harris was Premier? :) |
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| Moral Hazard |
^ remember... essential services status and/or being legislated back to work nearly always results in more expensive contracts for the tax payer to carry.
Additionally, let's not forget that this isn't just the sanitation workers... it's all inside and outside workers... surely, not all city of toronto workers are essential.
That said... I'm so happy I don't live in Toronto. |
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