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Garbage Strike 2009 (pg. 6)
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| Frenchie |
| Meh, I'm willing to bet most people here complaining can't do their jobs. I couldn't. And you have to work in order to get those sick days. Is my logic flawed on how I did my division? Maybe. but it still comes out to banked 3 days a year. I really don't know anyone who has been sick or taken more than 1 or 2 days a month off. Bad weather conditions make you sick, it happens. |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
bring your trash to work or to a friend who lives in a condo or to etobicoke. |
or malls |
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| Tordan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
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I agree with you that the city forced the union to go on strike. Same thing happened when the York U TAs union went on strike. York U apparently saved a nice wad of cash from not having to pay them for months.
However, I do not agree with banking sick days. As someone else already mentioned, they shouldn't feel entitled to these banked sick days at retirement as a perk. If you want "perks" then don't become a garbage collector. It's that simple. |
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| Frenchie |
They're taking that AWAY ( Yes I just found out a little while ago after I stated that the get them and what not). It has nothing to do with anything and I really have no idea why you're all dwelling on this. No more bankable sick days. And I assume most of you are whining because you have none? Blablabla. Everyone is going to have something you don't like about their job.
Um, perks should happen with any job regardless if you're a garbage man or Donald trump. Someone who cleans up the streets of Toronto and makes this city livable and likable shouldn't have perks?:stongue: |
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| d-form |
The point is they already have perks that go way beyond what the average person can relate to.
To name a few: 1) they (garbage collectors) make around $28/hr for a job that requires no education. 2) they have a pension when 75% of the private sector do not 3) their pension is adjusted yearly for inflation 4) their dental benefits are 100% paid by the city 5) they get 18 sick days a year. almost three times the average in the private sector. |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
Well I'm not arguing but I know what I'm talking about.
So what? They get money from a sick bank when they retire. You get bonuses, or gifts, or retreats, or what ever else. This is their... thank you when they leave the city. How you can argue it or think it's stupid is your prerogative, but they go their entire careers with nothing. They work for the people they clean for you and that's all the did. Yes, that's their job and yes, that's what they get paid to do but a little thank you after 35 years ( I'm using 35 because that's how many years my dad would have worked when he retires) is nice and that's what they get. So? Different jobs get different perks. And YES you HAVE to have 120 days BANKED in order to get ANY money AT all. I don't know how many times I have to stress this. I'm talking about Garbage Collections retirement. I don't know about any other department.
but the 120 days has nothing to do with this so I don't know why this is an issue with you It's all getting changed anyway. That won't even exist anymore and they don't mind. |
You have no clue what you're talking about. You and your dad have drank the Kool-Aid from the union leaders. Anyone who retires gets paid their sick days up to the 120 and it doesn't change from one part of the union to others. The whole sick time benefit with the city is out of control and so out of touch with reality (hell city employees can call in sick when they are on vacation so they don't lose vacation time).
Sick time isn't suppose to be a "thank you" upon leaving it is meant to be there for when you need it. The city wants to switch the union over to a short term disability program for sick time (the same as they have done for management).
Most companies who pay out a bonus have that accounted for when they establish pay rates and give it out to people who have earned it and don't forget that most companies do not pay out a bonus. A bonus is not an entitlement.
As for being able to lay off employees who have seniority what a novel concept. The ability to choose someone who wants to work harder and brings more to the job over someone who feels they are entitled to a job and simply go through the motions...wow you don't see that in the public sector do you. Wait that's exactly what you see.
You are not "entitled" to a job, you have to earn it. Why does the union feel they have an entitlement to a job? Why is the public sector here in Ontario the only place there have been no job cuts since the economy turned? Why are they off limits?
I have dealings with both the inside and outside workers every day of my job. This strike will force me to lay people off if it goes on too long and guess what my employees don't get a bonus when they retire or get laid off.
You really shouldn't post on this anymore cause I don't think you're doing a very good job. Thank your dad for his 35 years of service for me and tell him to enjoy his 120 days (cause he will get it despite the outcome of the negotiations) but hopefully this wave of workers will be the last that get this beneift. |
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| Frenchie |
OK, thanks.
You win. |
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| Abercrombie |
| 'can't wait for the next wave of chinatown window rats |
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| MissK |
| quote: | Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT
Sick time isn't suppose to be a "thank you" upon leaving it is meant to be there for when you need it.
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exactly.
| quote: | Originally posted by Frenchie
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Your dad can try to justify himself or the actions of his co-workers by assuming the sick days are an entitlement because of all the hard work they put in over the years. But your bias opinion isn't convincing anyone.
Not all jobs get bonuses at the end of the year. Your dad's bonus is the fact he makes almost $30 an hour without needing post secondary education to be hired.
I get lieu days at work if I come in on weekends. If I don't use these days by the end of the YEAR I loose them. and this isn't even sick days, these are days that I put in time. Policy is policy.
Union workers are so hard done by. pfft. Use the sick days they are entitled to a year then. solved.
He'll get a pension at the end of his career. Not all professions have this benefit. Be thankful. |
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| Frenchie |
| Oh, he's satisfied. Totally. I think he's just looking out or worried about his employees. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Engine9
LOL ONLY 120 sickdays?? oh no!
i get 3-5 sickdays a year, non transferable and this is after i went thru 5 years of uni and 20+ grand in tuition.
and how much vacation do they get per year? im willing to bet more then 2 weeks |
Welcome to being the new kid on the block....everyone starts off like that. |
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| Jer |
| What a bunch of greedy s with their sense of entitlement. I'd love to see the city take a hard line and start firing these pricks by the masses. If you want to work, work. Bonuses are bonuses, nothing more. Some jobs have them, some don't. Such is life. |
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