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Garbage Strike 2009 (pg. 15)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by d-form
I wonder how long the workers would have to be on strike for the city to be able to afford our new street cars? |
Street cars.. they should abolish them not replace them!! |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
In fact, until the 1900 these services were only available through private companies. |
It should have stayed that way. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by gummybear
Can someone clarify something for me..
If someone illegally dumps in front of the dump sites, because they are being blocked. they get a by law ticket..so, are they also giving tickets to or charging the s that are blocking the public???? |
What do you think?
Who is the easier target? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
It should have stayed that way. |
I don't know... I kind of like the public fire department... it used to be that insurance companies owned private fire departments... if your house was on fire they would go check it out but if it turned out you weren't insured by them they'd just leave... call me a bleeding hart pinko commie but I kind of prefer not having my house burn to the in' ground because Royal & Sun is the closest fire department to me but I'm insured with Pilot. |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by d-form
My buddy was telling me that if he pickets the union pays him 200/week while they're on strike. Thats more than i expected. If everyone got that the union would be paying out 4.8 million a week. How long can the union afford to pay out 4.8 million a week.
I wonder how long the workers would have to be on strike for the city to be able to afford our new street cars? |
They get paid $200 a week strike pay for 30 hours (5 days, 6 hours per day)of picketing a week. For most of the workers that is actually more work and harder than their actual jobs (that is what someone who is not picketing told me). |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
Should garbage collection be considered an essential service?
Dalton doesn't want to force the strikers back to work as he wants to give both sides a chance to have their voices heard and work something out. Fair enough.... BUT I really think garbage collection should be considered essential to the city of Toronto.
For a city the size of our with a flourishing hospitality, food, and tourism industry I can not fathom how this is NOT an essential service.
Restaurants are forced to close down patios as nearby alleys smell so bad.
Our city is already looking disgusting due to litterers/dumpers.
Rodents and bugs are going to become a huge issue.
Rotting garbage creates many health concerns.
Dalton needs to force the garbage collectors back to work. If OTHER city workers (who are very valuable to the city but not essential to the city) want to keep striking, let them but garbage collectors are NEEDED to keep this city functioning. |
The business owners can pay for a private firm to pick up the trash (the Danforth BIA has done just that) and they can also take it to the drop off areas for a few weeks for the greater good. The worst thing that can happen is that they are legislated back and we go through this strike for nothing. The people of Toronto have to take it upon themselves to help keep the city clean and to do their part so we can finally get the unions in line with the rest of the economy. What's the point of going through one or two weeks of this if the end result is the staus quo?
The other option if we had any actual political leaders here in the City and the Province would be to hire a private firm to pick up the garbage curbside until the stirke is settled. |
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| Superstring |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I don't know... I kind of like the public fire department... it used to be that insurance companies owned private fire departments... if your house was on fire they would go check it out but if it turned out you weren't insured by them they'd just leave... call me a bleeding hart pinko commie but I kind of prefer not having my house burn to the in' ground because Royal & Sun is the closest fire department to me but I'm insured with Pilot. |
Agreed. Some services must be public, funded by the able, and available to everyone. Not all, but definitely some.
Free secondary education. Fire department services. Emergency medical help. Libraries. Police.
Garbage removal doesn't have to be declared an essential service because as it's not. We're only discussing the possibility of this service being declared essential BECAUSE the union is striking. Had the contracts been awarded to private companies, there would be no strike and no talk of essential service. |
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| ChemEnhanced |
| quote: | Originally posted by Superstring
And you can drive yourself to the emergency room when you don't feel well.
And hose down your house when it catches on fire. |
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| smuncky |
The City of Toronto has announced 19 new locations to drop-off your garbage.The following is a press release sent out by the City earlier today.
1. Ted Reeve Arena: Northeast corner of Main St. & Gerrard St. E.
2. Villiers St.: Paved roadway between Saulter St. and Cherry St.
3. Sunnyside Park: Parking area south of Lake Shore Blvd. W., between Ellis Ave. and Colborne Lodge Dr. (must be east-bound on Lake Shore to access)
4. Sir Casmir Gzowski Park: Parking area south of Lake Shore Blvd. W., west of Sunnyside Park (must be east-bound on Lake Shore to access)
5. Eglinton Flats (1): Enter off Eglinton Ave., east of Jane St.
6. Eglinton Flats (2): Enter off Emmett Ave., west of Jane St.
7. Etienne Brule Park: Old Mill Rd. at Catherine St., east of Humber River
8. George Bell Arena: 215 Ryding Ave., south of St. Clair Ave. W., east of Runnymede Rd.
9. Christie Pits: Enter off Crawford St., north of Bloor
10. North Toronto Memorial Arena: North of Eglinton Ave., east of Oriole Pkwy., enter off Edith Dr.
11. Moss Park: South of Shuter St., north of Queen St. E., west of Sherbourne St.
12. North York Centennial Centre: 580 Finch Ave. W., in parking lot
13. Caledonia Park: 1135 Caledonia Rd., in parking lot
14. Earlscourt Park: West side of Lansdowne Ave., north of Davenport Rd.
15. Taylor Creek Park: Enter off Haldon Ave., in parking lot at end of roadway
16. Scarborough Arena: 75 Birchmount Rd., in parking lot
17. Wishing Well Park: In parking lot, north of 401, west side of Pharmacy Ave. (south of Sheppard Ave. E.)
18. York Mills Arena: 2539 Bayview Ave., enter off York Mills Rd., east of Bayview
19. Highland Creek Wastewater Treatment Plant: 51 Beechgrove Dr., in parking lot at end of Beechgrove Dr.
The 19 temporary drop-off locations were selected based on the following criteria:
* the site is a City-owned property;
* preference is given to existing paved or gravel areas to minimize environmental impacts;
* is close to and reasonably accessible by the community;
* has vehicular access;
* there is reasonable distance away from residential buildings; and
* has the capacity to hold a large volume of waste if necessary.
Garbage stored at the temporary sites will be contained within a fenced enclosure. Residents must place all waste in the fenced area only. The sites will have 24-hour security and will be monitored by City staff.
The locations will also be managed with professional pest and odour controls. All sites have received approval from the provincial Ministry of the Environment for use as temporary garbage storage sites. Inspectors from Toronto Public Health will monitor the sites to ensure public health is not compromised by the drop off sites.
Residents should continue to store recyclables, yard waste and bulky items until the labour disruption is over. Once their Blue Bin is full, residents should store recyclables in clear plastic bags. They are also requested to postpone garden trimming and pruning and use a backyard composter to compost yard waste and organics where possible.
All Toronto residents are asked:
* Not to throw garbage onto streets, into laneways or parks
* Not to leave waste in or around City litter bins. These will not be emptied during the disruption.
The City will not condone illegal dumping, which would include dropping waste near, but not within the fencing of the drop off site, as well as other locations like City parks or streets. City bylaw officers will monitor the sites and the fine for illegal dumping starts at $380. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I don't know... I kind of like the public fire department... it used to be that insurance companies owned private fire departments... if your house was on fire they would go check it out but if it turned out you weren't insured by them they'd just leave... call me a bleeding hart pinko commie but I kind of prefer not having my house burn to the in' ground because Royal & Sun is the closest fire department to me but I'm insured with Pilot. |
Publicly funded, privately administrated. Done properly its the most effective way to deliver universal service. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Intangible
Should garbage collection be considered an essential service? |
We don't need more rules to prevent the garbage workers from striking; we need fewer rules so they can be fired on the spot and replaced with people who are willing to do the job for fair compensation.
'Course, I'm well aware of the fact that many of the individual workers may be against the strike; therefore, we also need to start seeing rules that prevent unions like CUPE from strong-arming members into doing things they don't want to do.
Technically, every service is an essential service when we are depending on someone else to do it for us. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
and you likely sit behind a desk working in an office in a cubicle all day right? That makes you some how better than all the lowly blue collar guys who have physically taxing jobs in sectors that have been unionised for decades? |
Maybe, maybe not - but it damn well makes me more knowledgeable about how things work in the private sector than somebody who's never set foot in an office before.
It's so obvious that you have no idea what you're talking about. Every time somebody makes a point that you don't know how to defend against, you retort with whatever "fact" (or more like insinuation) you think would win the argument IF it were true, except it isn't true.
You are transparent, boring, irritating, and carry an unshakable belief that your heavily-politicized education grants you a free pass to make whatever claims you want without having to worry about pesky nuances like experience or evidence. Just stop. |
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