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Ruined dining experiences (pg. 6)
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| OurManFlint |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
Bollocks. Why is it my responsibility to pay the staff's wages? If you employ staff, you should pay them, not expect everyone else to pay them. All the other costs are included in the meal's price, why not the staff's wages? |
It's not your responsibility. You don't have to tip, ofcourse you look cheap if you don't.
Think of it as efficiency. Your bill is low because there is a very low percentage of labor costs in the bill. If you left 20% of the bill for a tip, it would still be lower than if all the labor casts were included in your bill.
Also, if labor was included in the bill, you would also pay taxes on it. When you leave a tip there is no tax included.
So, you go to a restaurant for happy hour, get two appetizers and a couple of drinks, that small bill is going to be extremely high if labour was included. You wouldn't go out as much, the restaurant would lose money, and would start charging more. Think about it.... |
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| OurManFlint |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
I didn't realise that. And, to me, that sound rediculous.
It sounds like you have a system over there, honestly. |
Like I said, how much are willing to pay when you go out to eat? |
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| Ian |
When abroad you have to realise that things are done a bit differently. Eating out in Spain is a much longer process but you get to enjoy being beachside or whatever. One place we'd sit down at 7:30/8ish and not be ready to leave until 10:30/11 and would only have 2 courses + drinks. Other places you can be in & out within 90 minutes and sometimes that's a good thing :p
Worst thing I've had was a place I eventually walked out of in a resort. It was run by a welsh family and the food all read very nicely. I ordered pork escalope with 'seasonal vegetables to be given a greasy breadcrumb with hardly any pork in it and a plate full of aubergine. I told them that I wouldn't feed that to my dog, the aubergine was almost raw too. They moaned a bit but when I invited them to try some of it for themselves, decided not to...... wonder why.... Funny thing is, we'd sat there cos it was by the beach & had toasties & lunch stuff and the food quality was awesome.
Apart from that, the biggest 'ruined' experience came when we were eating in one restaurant & an older couple came into the table next to us, both lit up fags and preceeded to hold them with smoke wafting our way, then also blowing it away from their table. I wanted to decapitate the inconsiderate cunts :whip: |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by OurManFlint
Like I said, how much are willing to pay when you go out to eat? |
I pay what the restaurant asks, for the meal I expect. If the overall outcome if my 'dining experience' is poor, I won't be back. As a restauranteur, the idea should be to get repeat business, and getting a good name for the restaurant.
Working for tips is a flawed idea anyway. By your standards there, if the food is , then the serving staff won't be getting tipped much, if at all. The quality of the food, however, is not the responsibility of the serving staff, now is it?
Staff, serving or otherwise (and I've worked and a waiter, and behind the bar at both restaurants and regular bars) should be paid a decent wage, and have tips as a bonus for exceptional performance. |
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| Yohan |
| it gets hilarious when you have to leave a mandatory 'tip' which is calcuated as part of total on your bill |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
it gets hilarious when you have to leave a mandatory 'tip' which is calcuated as part of total on your bill |
A mandatory tip? Wouldn't that be an oxymoron? Does that actually happen? :wtf: |
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| Domesticated |
| quote: | Originally posted by OurManFlint
It's not your responsibility. You don't have to tip, ofcourse you look cheap if you don't.
Think of it as efficiency. Your bill is low because there is a very low percentage of labor costs in the bill. If you left 20% of the bill for a tip, it would still be lower than if all the labor casts were included in your bill.
Also, if labor was included in the bill, you would also pay taxes on it. When you leave a tip there is no tax included.
So, you go to a restaurant for happy hour, get two appetizers and a couple of drinks, that small bill is going to be extremely high if labour was included. You wouldn't go out as much, the restaurant would lose money, and would start charging more. Think about it.... |
Our restaurant staff don't get mandatory tips, and yet the system works fine over here. Melbourne, where I live, is known for being a particularly social city too. It depends on the person, but most young, inner city residents with disposable income (i.e no snotty kids) will eat out many days a week. It's the middle of winter and I think I've only eaten at home about 20% of the time this past month. |
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| Slylee |
i personally don't agree with the whole tipping thing either. but i do it because it's the custom here and i know how it is. waitors get paid lower than minimum wage and generally "work for tips". their tips are what pay their rent and really, that's ed up.
why is it the customer's responsibility to pretty much provide their paycheck? it's a weird system and it bothers me that a $100 meal for two all of a sudden becomes $125 because i'm expected to reward good service. the good service should be the standard that the restaurant pays their employees to give.
but this is america and that's how it is, so i'm a slave to it. my bf hates tipping too much of course because he's canadian lol we argue about that a lot. not like seriously argue but it's an issue usually lol |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Love that place... ate at the one in Tampa a few times. Very underrated. |
sweet! you've been there. yea it's a great place. versatile too. you can go there and get a couple of burgers (best burgers ever) and your tab will be $30. or you can go all out with steaks and wine, etc... and have a $100+ tab. and it has that nice steakhouse setting. dim lighting, big wooden booths, etc.. |
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
sweet! you've been there. yea it's a great place. versatile too. you can go there and get a couple of burgers (best burgers ever) and your tab will be $30. or you can go all out with steaks and wine, etc... and have a $100+ tab. and it has that nice steakhouse setting. dim lighting, big wooden booths, etc.. |
I never had a burger there... it's hard for me to eat at a place like that and order a burger over the other stuff on that menu. But , if they're that good I'm in. :toocool: |
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| TranceOwnsLol |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
A mandatory tip? Wouldn't that be an oxymoron? Does that actually happen? :wtf: |
service charge. In here it's 7% of the total bill. Singapore isn't a tipping community. |
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