Wikileaks claims to have obtained and decrypted video that shows US occupying forces in an Apache helicopter intentionally firing on a dozen civilians in Baghdad, including journalists working for the Reuters news organization: 22-year-old Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, and his driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40.
The video is accompanied by audio of the pilots' radio dialogue.
Looks like some normal goings-on in war to me. How were the chopper pilots supposed to know who those guys were? Not only that, there certainly did appear to be at least an RPG in one of the guys' arms.
ÖZmözis
What a disgrace!
bARTovsky
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Originally posted by VERTiG0
Looks like some normal goings-on in war to me. How were the chopper pilots supposed to know who those guys were? Not only that, there certainly did appear to be at least an RPG in one of the guys' arms.
At 4:17? That's one of the photographers with a telephoto lens. Could it be mistaken for an RPG? Certainly.
When the van pulls up is where it gets quite terrible. Dude was driving his kids to class and saw the wounded man, stopped to help him and got killed.
The kids survived, but somehow I don't think they're going to grow up with a positive view towards the U.S.
VDub
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Originally posted by ÖZmözis
What a disgrace!
I'm not going to say too much because obviously I wasn't there and I don't know the situation but the only thing that can be said is...
War is hell....
And that is all...
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brutal.
Fin Finnegan
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Originally posted by VERTiG0
Looks like some normal goings-on in war to me. How were the chopper pilots supposed to know who those guys were? Not only that, there certainly did appear to be at least an RPG in one of the guys' arms.
Open mindedness at its worst.
VERTiG0
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Originally posted by Fin Finnegan
Open mindedness at its worst.
Oh I'm sorry, did I offend you? I'd like to hear your take on this whole thing.
Fin Finnegan
I'm not going to fight with you...I just find that video gross.
The gunman was getting ancy when he had to wait 4 seconds for permission to shoot. The truck ran over a freshly dead human and the soldiers found it amusing.
It's an unpleasant video.
Xavier Moriarty
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Originally posted by VERTiG0
Looks like some normal goings-on in war to me. How were the chopper pilots supposed to know who those guys were? Not only that, there certainly did appear to be at least an RPG in one of the guys' arms.
shoot first, ask question later ?? wild west ended a long time ago buddy.
whats the difference between shooting in a bunch of civilians who LOOKED like they had some rpg's (turned out to be cameras) and detonating a bomb, stripped to your body, in the area crawling with civilians??
DigiNut
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Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
whats the difference between shooting in a bunch of civilians who LOOKED like they had some rpg's (turned out to be cameras) and detonating a bomb, stripped to your body, in the area crawling with civilians??
Intent.
It's one of the fundamental concepts of our criminal justice system.
(Disclaimer: I'm not saying it's a pleasant video, or even that it's excusable, just that it's not at all the same thing as deliberately targeting civilians with a bomb. Nobody's innocent in war, but guilt exists in degrees.)
Xavier Moriarty
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Originally posted by DigiNut
Intent.
It's one of the fundamental concepts of our criminal justice system.
(Disclaimer: I'm not saying it's a pleasant video, or even that it's excusable, just that it's not at all the same thing as deliberately targeting civilians with a bomb. Nobody's innocent in war, but guilt exists in degrees.)
weak.
it was more than obvious, that van was there to pick up wounded. first group...ill say ok, it may have looked like they had some guns. that van didnt provoke them in any way.
are you also saying "shoot first, ask question later"??? like, preventive measures?? "lets kill em before they get a chance to kill us"??? cause thats what it looked like to me.
