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Is school REALLY that important or useful? (pg. 14)
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| Danny Ocean |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
That name doesn't sound very jewy to me. |
i know he went jew, and hes changged his name a few times..cant find his profile though and cbf looking at friends friends...he deleted me from his FB. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
What?
What the high school did you go to? All the smart people I know passed with flying colors without even ing trying because it was that easy to do. And what, could you not get into any honors, AP, or IB classes? You just seem to be whining because you didn't like school, and you wished it catered more to you. me me me me me, is all I read in that blurb.
Sometimes we have to do things we don't want to do, and in school especially, you just have to get done to the best of your abilities so you get the marks you want. You basically get out what you put in. Put in nothing because you think the work is below you, and guess what, you get nothing out of it.
And if that whole "home time is my time" is your philosophy don't even go to college. Don't bother.
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You're an idiot. Some people do not need to study or do homework to reinforce their knowledge or keep things in their head. Making a grade based around doing something some people do not even need to do just because it forces the stupid kids to try harder is bull.
If I had spent all my time at home doing the hours of homework that I had I wouldn't have been programming. I wouldn't be nearly as technically skilled as I am today because they do not teach that in high school.
If school is meant to be about proving you know something then I think you would agree with me. If school is meant to be some sort of stupid representation of real life then I think that is fantasy.
Like I said, I passed all the tests I took with high grades, often the highest marks in my class (even in terms of graduating class, not just that class). If grades had been based with a higher percentage on test scores and actual application of the knowledge gained (like essays and papers) then I could have easily gotten a 3.8-4.0 in HS. Easy. But no, the US education system caters to making it easier for stupid people to get ahead by placing values on things that do not apply in real life like pointless busy work that doesn't actually exist in real work, unless the company is falling apart or never meant to make it in the first place. Homework gives people that want to just do the motions the ability to pass with a higher grade than the people that want to just apply the knowledge.
Again, like I said, home time is my time, thats where I was learning things I was actually interested in. I never took a programming class in high school, the only thing close that they offered was basic and the pre-reqs to get into that were insanely stupid. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
You've still got to train and learn formally before people will have any confidence in taking you on, otherwise they'll take the very simple option of 'that guy has a qualification' so at least they know what they're in for.
What you fail to understand in your one menial job of working in a software company where you even failed the simple, basic premise of shut up or ship out. Any arsehole can say they have ability, maybe they can, maybe they can't, but your resume simply says in its history- you don't have ability.
So you better start somewhere because you're essentially unqualified and don't have a reference worth a damn.
For every one that does, there are probably dozens that fall by the wayside. |
You do realize that a lot of programming jobs include a portfolio of work as well? This is especially true if I wanted to continue in the web development sphere of work.
Its very easy to demonstrate your skills when applying for a job and the field offers a lot of techniques for the interviewer to ask questions that only a knowledgable person would know the answers to.
I never plan to work for a company that only has bull HR people looking at resumes. HR is the most ing out of touch job someone could take. Most of them have no clue about what they need to hire people on and are only employed because equally stupid people are running the company.
Working at a company run by people in software, smaller companies with a good business idea or customer base is the way to go. Only idiots take super corporate programming jobs right off the bat. Thats where you are guranteed to only be a code monkey.
Its the same thing with lawyers who join corporate firms right off the bat, start out doing 80 hours a week, but that high initial paycheck makes it seem worth it, and before they know it they are burned out or in a position where they will never make partner, never get a lower (or more exciting, better) caseload and they are stuck.
The trick is to do the grunt work where you have an easy oppertunity to advance and make a name for yourself. That way the experience and work you put out for others to see makes it easier for you to join larger organizations in the future where you can step in at a higher level of pay and importance. In the computer industry time and time again I have seen that school has little to do with that process. |
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| Danny Ocean |
i graduated in HR as well as Hospilaity Administration. So, let's say im hiring you, paste your resume and ill let you know here if i hired you.
I already know you do not have a GED so that can tell me you lack dedication and motivation. You don't like to do home work which means if i were to assign you on some day a task you don't like to do, you probably would not do it. You talked bad about co-workers and got fired..i don't know that story but bad-talking co workers would not look good to any employer. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Danny Ocean
i graduated in HR as well as Hospilaity Administration. So, let's say im hiring you, paste your resume and ill let you know here if i hired you.
I already know you do not have a GED so that can tell me you lack dedication and motivation. You don't like to do home work which means if i were to assign you on some day a task you don't like to do, you probably would not do it. You talked bad about co-workers and got fired..i don't know that story but bad-talking co workers would not look good to any employer. |
I didn't bad-talk coworkers numbnuts. When we were at lunch me and co-workers shot the , and most of it was about how poorly management was running the company, how we were losing clients left and right, etc. Management finally caught on (after a year) and decided this could make people quit. So they fired (well they wanted me to quit, cause they didn't pay their UI fee) me because they thought I was the ring leader. :rolleyes: The company was , the only smart owner left 2 years after I started there and he basically was the person running the show. The other two partners in the company were ing retards and the company went from a million dollars in sales to barely scraping by in less than a year.
Like I said I am not out to impress HR people, you are clueless about anything regarding the fields you represent. You are just a buffer for management so they do not have to do any real work in determining who they hire. Great job being a lackluster shill, at least the stupid system still sort of guarantees you some decent pay for your non-work. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
But no, the US education system caters to making it easier for stupid people to get ahead by placing values on things that do not apply in real life like pointless busy work that doesn't actually exist in real work, unless the company is falling apart or never meant to make it in the first place. |
Because exams directly apply to the real world don't they, wit?
Every relatively smart person cruises through high school. Everyone does homework and still has countless hours of free time to do as they wish. Everyone faces the same situation you did. You failed the first aptitude test of life, and all you're doing is unsuccessfully blaming the system for your failure. |
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| Danny Ocean |
| actually this was just an excersie, i do front office management, but still apply my HR skills to that entire area of the establishment. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Because exams directly apply to the real world don't they, wit?
Every relatively smart person cruises through high school. Everyone does homework and still has countless hours of free time to do as they wish. Everyone faces the same situation you did. You failed the first aptitude test of life, and all you're doing is unsuccessfully blaming the system for your failure. |
Application of knowledge applies in real life. I am smart, I shouldn't have to play by the rules stupid people have to play by.
Where do I even mention that I care if I didn't graduate HS. It has not impeded me yet. Like I said, I could call this guy on Skype right now and start making probably a lot more money, doing something I really am interested in (who, btw chose me because of the work he has seen me do). The only debate is do I want to do work for someone else again or go it alone with my own products in the same market. On top of that, the point of this thread is, if you have opportunities like that available, what good is school? If you can make it on your personal merits then what is the point of papers? A lot of this seems like jealousy that you do not have the personal merits to go it alone, to forge your own path, and to do it with out risk of financial ruin (woot rich family). |
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| Danny Ocean |
i still agree with the company's decision on letting you go, you were a weak link on the chain for them. Bad mouthing managers is even worse, hows that company doing now days anyways?
and good look not trying to impress whomever represents HR if you ever get a job. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Danny Ocean
actually this was just an excersie, i do front office management, but still apply my HR skills to that entire area of the establishment. |
So a secretary. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Danny Ocean
i still agree with the company's decision on letting you go, you were a weak link on the chain for them. Bad mouthing managers is even worse, hows that company doing now days anyways?
and good look not trying to impress whomever represents HR if you ever get a job. |
They've lost 2 more people since I left and their website still hasn't been updated since before I was hired.
I haven't talked to anyone recently there though so I am not sure. I am still friendly with most of my co-workers who thought it was a bull move to fire me, when like I said, I was the only one getting out on time. |
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| Danny Ocean |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
So a secretary. |
obviously you have no clue so i won't even bother. |
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