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Is school REALLY that important or useful? (pg. 22)
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chairman Meow
School is the New World Order's way of turning the young generation into a mob of programmed consumerist robots focused on pop culture instead of what really matters. |
If you honestly believe that, you obviously didn't go to school. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
If you honestly believe that, you obviously didn't go to school. |
WOOSH.
Do they have schools that teach a sense of humor in canada? |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
WOOSH.
Do they have schools that teach a sense of humor in canada? |
Umm... was I supposed to somehow pick up on a sarcastic undertone in his post? Sorry, but my ability to take text for anything other than what it is written as is obviously lacking.
Did I find it funny if it was meant in a sarcastic way? No.
Maybe I should look into those "sense of humour" schools. |
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| noikeee |
| serious bitch is serious |
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| Theresa |
| quote: | Originally posted by noikeee
serious bitch is serious |
Damn ing right.
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| Chairman Meow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Theresa
If you honestly believe that, you obviously didn't go to school.
Umm... was I supposed to somehow pick up on a sarcastic undertone in his post? Sorry, but my ability to take text for anything other than what it is written as is obviously lacking.
Did I find it funny if it was meant in a sarcastic way? No.
Maybe I should look into those "sense of humour" schools. |
You obviously are one of those programmed consumerist robots but I think your circuits are fluxed up. Meow. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
You do realize that a lot of programming jobs include a portfolio of work as well? This is especially true if I wanted to continue in the web development sphere of work.
Its very easy to demonstrate your skills when applying for a job and the field offers a lot of techniques for the interviewer to ask questions that only a knowledgable person would know the answers to.
I never plan to work for a company that only has bull HR people looking at resumes. HR is the most ing out of touch job someone could take. Most of them have no clue about what they need to hire people on and are only employed because equally stupid people are running the company.
Working at a company run by people in software, smaller companies with a good business idea or customer base is the way to go. Only idiots take super corporate programming jobs right off the bat. Thats where you are guranteed to only be a code monkey. |
You are only a code monkey Nou.
Hop off the high horse already, you're a menial software programmer that's lazier than most, not producing anything innovative and it is something I know about.
Friend of mine who left school at the same time I did (16) is a software developer who hasn't been out of work for more than 2 weeks in the last 14 years... just doing contract work.
He might just be a 'code monkey' but hell he's definitely not poor, after each contract he just takes a few months off, tours Europe for a bit, buys lots of nice toys and living it up.
BUT, he's still constantly self educating himself while he's doing that and the reason he still gets work is literally that arm-length resume of demonstrated ability to get things done and not get fired halfway through for being a dick.
On the other hand, there is my stepfather who does much the same thing as an IT engineer, back when he started you did need a degree and it has taken him a lot of places, making him happy in the process. All that radio propagation stuff has been done to the point you can just about buy it off the shelf, fairly much most of it written for telecommunications companies and aircraft traffic controllers.
At best all I could see you doing with it is maybe dovetailing some specialist side applications to the main program.
Halfwits in HR?
I have done HR, surprisingly enough it would contradict your gross generalisation, I was there because I actually knew the industry I was working in outright to the point of being an expert and sort out the duds from those that have some talent.
It'll be funny watching your assumptions come back and slam you, because assumptions are the mother of all screwups...
| quote: | | Its the same thing with lawyers who join corporate firms right off the bat, start out doing 80 hours a week, but that high initial paycheck makes it seem worth it, and before they know it they are burned out or in a position where they will never make partner, never get a lower (or more exciting, better) caseload and they are stuck. |
Stuck seems to be a relative definition lost on you, my partner wandered straight out of uni into a corporate law job and fairly decent money. Unlike you, her realistic expectations are that it is a very long term goal to achieve either partnership or start her own.
Because that's just how it works.
No one comes in off the street and wakes up at the top in a year or two.
| quote: | | The trick is to do the grunt work where you have an easy oppertunity to advance and make a name for yourself. That way the experience and work you put out for others to see makes it easier for you to join larger organizations in the future where you can step in at a higher level of pay and importance. In the computer industry time and time again I have seen that school has little to do with that process. |
Most people in high level company positions have a law or business management degree, (or both) in addition to knowing everything and a bit more about the business they're in. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chairman Meow
You obviously are one of those programmed consumerist robots but I think your circuits are fluxed up. Meow. |
you obviously are one of those alts that needs to spontaneously combust. |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
I seriously do not see how any of you can deny that real world experience does not beat what you learn in school. |
you have a point. i never took a class on getting fired, so in this respect your real world experience certainly trumps my schooling. |
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| Blake |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you have a point. i never took a class on getting fired, so in this respect your real world experience certainly trumps my schooling. |
I don't really believe in pointing out grammatical errors on forums and such, but since this thread IS about the importance of school; I've gotta say, the sentence in the post you quoted from Joss is all kinds of ed up, assuming he meant to stress real world experience over school :( .
That aside, ultimately, individual people should do what makes them happiest. What's most important is feeling excited when you wake up every day, and that what you do is fulfilling. If you're doing something you could see yourself doing for free, even though you're getting paid to do it, then you've probably found your niche, regardless of acquired degrees.
That said, in the larger scheme of things, school is OF COURSE important lest we live in the dark ages forever. Everyone plays their part though. |
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| Spam |
| School sucks, I can't do it. I think apprenticeships are awesome though. Luckily, there's many different paths to success in the world we live in. |
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