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Is school REALLY that important or useful? (pg. 19)
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by LeopoldStotch
i just want to say thanks undergraduate classes like 'Data Structures', 'Operating Systems', 'Computer Architecture', and 'Programming Languages', it really did help hone down how i should really develop my programming skills. I'm sure we have all learned there's a clear difference between knowing how to build vs building what is there. |
Yes, but you learn that working too... :p Also we had a guy working who at the same time was pursuing a degree in CSE and he said the relation to what is taught in school and what is applied in the field is often minimal. While there are some theoreticals and best practices, often they do not fit as taught and only working in a real environment will you learn to do what is actually needed. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by enydo
I mean, discounting the information you learn in college you also learn: people management, time management, the ability to meet deadlines, working under pressure, etc. |
I also learned that working lol... and got paid to do it. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
I seriously do not see how any of you can deny that real world experience does not beat what you learn in school.
ITS THE ING REAL . ITS WHAT YOU DO ON THE JOB. How is that worth any less? Use your heads people.
Now if you excuse me I have to go get ready for class. |
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| Danny Ocean |
| try finishing something first, then your opinions will actually have some value. |
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| Schadenfreude |
| do pizzas count? |
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| Danny Ocean |
other than finishing on top of a naked asian cartoon.
yes, pizzas count. But only if you weigh under 150lbs |
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| EricB. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
class. |
mage or elf? |
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| Danny Ocean |
| quote: | Originally posted by EricB.
mage or elf? |
hah |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Yes it is.
First of all, I now have close to 6 years of experience with Java, as well as a SLEW of other skills that I have picked up in college. My list of programming languages and applicable skills is ing enormous, thanks to college.
Summer of my sophomore year of high school. Like you, I taught myself. But would I be as skilled at it today as I am without college? no. |
Sorry, I felt I should respond to Zip before I go since I asked him a question...
You can learn all those in college yes, but you can learn them on the job too. And we all know that once you understand the fundamental of programming, the theory and the umm for a lack of better term, art of it then you can move into any language. The laundry list of languages is not really a huge benefit I have found for people that are actually in the know of what the job entails. It does work on HR types though!
Anyway, I came into the job I had knowing Perl, PHP, JS, and healthy bit of C/C++. My PHP skills, in my first 6 months working there became instantly better. Waaay way way better. I continued to work on Perl as a maintainer on some pretty nasty cluster projects, and I did enough JS helping the front end people to get pretty solid at it, at least much better than when I came into the job. Didn't really use a lot of my C skills though.
But anyway, by the end of my first year I was also maintain VBS (die in a fire) sites, VB sites, and was coding, with out having ever touched it before an entire backend management system for a physicians network in ASP.Net 2.0 (also die in a fire please) in C#.
By the end of my career there I was coding desktop applications in Flex (AS3) which also can die in a fire, but was still something totally new.
I did all of this on the job, while being payed. It was pretty awesome for the most part in terms of what I learned. The politics was the ty part. |
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| Chairman Meow |
| If you're Bill Gates who can drop out of Harvard to start Microsoft, then school. But 99.9% of people aren't Bill Gates, so go to ing school you little tit. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Danny Ocean
try finishing something first, then your opinions will actually have some value. |
I finished a number of major projects while I was working there.
The last one I finished is used by thousands of people every month for the King County Commuter Van service to manage their tracking of drivers and volunteer accountants. |
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