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| tiesto14 |
this is kinda corny....but i heard a good quote once..i forgot by who but it went like this:::::
"A bad opinion...is an opinion not expressed"
basically all opinions are good unless not stated. |
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| quddha |
okay, enough with the personal attacks.
Just remember, being caught up in the whole battle just blinds your eyes. From an outsider's unbiased opinion:
You say that you must stop Hussein before he attacks you, so you must take him out. What do you think he's thinking? He wants to take you out before you take him out. Simple as that. There are always two sides on this coin. Sometimes people when caught up in emotion and patriotism forget to see the story from the other person's point of view. Its a vicious paradox, just like the Nuclear Arms Race.
The US gets bigger guns, so Iraq gets bigger guns, which makes the US get bigger guns, which makes Iraq get bigger guns, etc. etc... So while you're thinking "Thats why we gotta take them out now," just remember they're probably thinking the same thing. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by quddha
You say that you must stop Hussein before he attacks you, so you must take him out. What do you think he's thinking? He wants to take you out before you take him out. Simple as that. There are always two sides on this coin. Sometimes people when caught up in emotion and patriotism forget to see the story from the other person's point of view. Its a vicious paradox, just like the Nuclear Arms Race.
The US gets bigger guns, so Iraq gets bigger guns, which makes the US get bigger guns, which makes Iraq get bigger guns, etc. etc... So while you're thinking "Thats why we gotta take them out now," just remember they're probably thinking the same thing. |
NO...the difference is Hussein is a ing MAD MAN that murders his own people and even lets them starve to death...he is linked to MANY terrorist groups and has demonstrated in the past the he can not be trusted and that he wages a war on the United States.
but something about you doesnt get it....he wanst to take us out REGARDLESS if we want to take him out...he always has..he INSANE...go look up the word INSANE in the dictionary...OMG...
OMG you people are either the dumbest individuals ont he planet or you support these insane leaders...i mean it is VERY well known that Hussein is CRAZY...i mean yes u guys think Bush is crazy..but when i mean CRAZY i mean Hussein would like to do to the US that you would only see in movies if and when he is capable...
try and grasp that...OMG... |
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| mos man |
| quote: | Originally posted by JohnSmith
Look dude, i told you, i'm not responding to you unless you have something worth responding to. i'm not going to bounce back and forth with a bunch of lame arguments that i have already had, on this site and others, MONTHS ago.
but. that being said, one more time, i will reply to your questions.
Saddamn Hussein is an evil man, and needs to be stopped. I fully supported the USA going in and attacking iraq back in the 90's when they invaded kuwait. I think it had more to do with kuwaits big oil reserves than caring about innocent people, but that's beside the point. and i think it's NOT a good thing that he is in power now.
BUT. it is not up to the USA to take him out, UNLESS he makes some deliberate action against another country. it is a violation of international law for one, not to mention immoral. and it will piss of the rest of the world, and set the stage for W3.
the worlds policeman you may be, and we thank you for it. but, we don't want you to go busting criminals just because someone told you they might do something. that is vigilante justice, and it's not a good thing. and i ask you, who will police the police?
Look at it this way. America has probably produced more chemical weapons in the 3 days this thread has been running, than hussein has ever possesed. they have the largest collection of nuclear weapons in the world. your presiden, in my opinion is rash, irresponsible, and has a grudge against iraq for what happened before.
i think HE needs to be taken out, i'm much more scared of him than hussein
it would still be wrong to do that though, so don't call me a traitor or worry i'm going to try to assasinate your president or anything. i wouldn't mind slapping him though. :) |
Bingo :thepirate
Hey guys a few pages back you were whinging about me swearing and stuff, now I am whinging about you whinging to one another, can we either get back on topic or just swallow your pride and not post :whip: |
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| quddha |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
NO...the difference is Hussein is a ing MAD MAN that murders his own people and even lets them starve to death...he is linked to MANY terrorist groups and has demonstrated in the past the he can not be trusted and that he wages a war on the United States.
but something about you doesnt get it....he wanst to take us out REGARDLESS if we want to take him out...he always has..he INSANE...go look up the word INSANE in the dictionary...OMG...
OMG you people are either the dumbest individuals ont he planet or you support these insane leaders...i mean it is VERY well known that Hussein is CRAZY...i mean yes u guys think Bush is crazy..but when i mean CRAZY i mean Hussein would like to do to the US that you would only see in movies if and when he is capable...
try and grasp that...OMG... |
Look, I said to put name calling aside tiesto14, but obviously you can't read. I didn't post that comment to start an argument, but obviously you like to argue for argument's sake, thinking you're country is oh so much better than Iraq. If he really wanted to you up right now, he could. You said already he has so many chemical weapons, wahts stopping him from smuggling one into the states and detonating it in NYC? If he was SO INSANE, he would've done it by now I'd think.
Hussein would like to do to you, and its pretty obvious that you'd do the same thing to him. Look, the reason he hates the US is because they stepped in and squashed his army when he tried to invade kuwait. The US can be commended for their effort. Fair enough. But its also fair for him to have a dislike. Now as far as him being a mad-man, that's just the painted image that the big guys running the show want the comman man like us to believe. And no, he did not wage war on the US, the US waged war on him.
The FACT is that he waged war on Kuwait, then the US steped in, and squashed him. Fine. If you were picking on some kid, and some big guy steps in and s you up, and then eyes your every move thereafter, you'd be pretty ticked too. He was wrong for invading Kuwait, but its understandable that he doesn't like the US. I mean, Bush Sr. basically ed him up. Any human being would be just a little pissed after that. It doesn't take a mad man. He has chemical weapons and is looking for nuclear bombs. Big whoop, Bush has more chemical weapons, and already has the nukes. Whats the difference who presses the button first, either way people die, on both sides.
And don't go on the moral high horse saying how his Islamic Dictatorship is so bad to the people and this and that bull. Its not like the Capitalist west is any better. Just different. Its not your place to go force-feeding your political systems down the throat of other countries. Trust me, even though you helped Kuwait, the Kuwaitee people still don't like US foreign policy, (in interviews with Kuwait University Students).
So, I'm NOT arguing that what the US is doing is wrong. I'm just saying, how its not any better than Iraq seeking arms. You're both countries looking out for your best interest. Fine. Just don't go around talking about it like its for the good of the world. Americans and Iraqi's bleed the same colour blood. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by mos man
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BINGO what?...get real EVERY war comes down to money and power...every single war fought....so lets not make it like the U.S. are so bad cus of it...because every nation has their own hidden ajenda...be real. |
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| BluNine |
| tiesto14, right on the mark yet again - propaganda rules the world, deal with it. |
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| JohnSmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by quddha
Americans and Iraqi's bleed the same colour blood. |
yep. i said the same thing. i don't care who dies, on either side, a human life is a human life.
excellent post quddha.
I just want everyone reading to understand something. there are people out there in america ready to go to war, and there are people all over the world ready to oppose them. this discussion only proves it. this is not over, but i am out of this thread for now because
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by quddha
Look, I said to put name calling aside tiesto14, but obviously you can't read. I didn't post that comment to start an argument, but obviously you like to argue for argument's sake, thinking you're country is oh so much better than Iraq. |
i am sorry for getting out of line...HONESTLY i am...so i apologize for my words....
but YES i do think my country is better then Iraq....number one we have a democracy where as they have a dictatorship...now everyone knows that a democracy is better....and to date not one of our presidents in history has let any of his civilians be tested with bio and chemical weapons to see if they work.....nor have they mas-murdered any.....on top of that we have freedom of the press, the right to bare arms, free speech and many other things that an iraqian doesnt....but if you HONESTLY beleive Iraq is such a good place to live then answer this...why are you the only one?
| quote: | Originally posted by quddha
the reason he hates the US is because they stepped in and squashed his army when he tried to invade kuwait.. |
sorry but thats not true ....his hatred for the U.S. goes back to the early 1970's after the war between Israel and Iraq ended...
| quote: | | Originally posted by quddha Now as far as him being a mad-man, that's just the painted image that the big guys running the show want the comman man like us to believe. And no, he did not wage war on the US, the US waged war on him... |
UM no he did wage war on his...he has said on numerous occasions that they (meaning his people) must rise up and kill Americans....i dont know the exact quote but he has said that...
and if you dont find a man that test weapons on his own civilians to be a mad man then u have SERIOUS issues my friend...the entire world will tell u he's a mad man..even Saudi's.
| quote: | Originally posted by quddha
And don't go on the moral high horse saying how his Islamic Dictatorship is so bad to the people and this and that bull. Its not like the Capitalist west is any better. Just different.... |
sure its easy for you to say that as you sit on your computer in Canada.....go live there...see how fast u change your mind...
dude you obviously are not very knowledgeable of the way it is in Iraq and how the people are treated and the way of life..it is very sad if you where to know....it is very true that unless you are in Husseins armed forces you are nothing and are expendable at all costs.
seriously...u really dont know what your talking about...i found that out the minute you said that the reason Iraq hates the US is cus of Kuwait...but infact they hated us way before then...
please do some research... |
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| u4ea:[soulstar] |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
i see your point..but China would not attack America because a coo coo bombed them saying he was American...
but if American soldiers did then China would attack us...and thats makes them right...
the Taliban and Al Queada WHERE the so called government of Afghanistan...tahst why we are bombing there...its not like it was 1 coo coo from Afghanistan...it was an entire organization which ran Afghaistan..thats doesnt mean their civilians but the people who dictated the civilians... |
Coo coo? Speaking of which, you do have an alleged american coo coo amongst, Mr. Kissinger. His alleged ware crimes supercedes the Taliban, and Al Quaeda combined by an astronomical number:
VIETNAM
Kissinger scuttled peace talks in 1968, paving the way for Richard Nixon's victory in the presidential race. Half the battle deaths in Vietnam took place between 1968 and 1972, not to mention the millions of civilians throughout Indochina who were killed.
CAMBODIA
Kissinger persuaded Nixon to widen the war with massive bombing of Cambodia and Laos. No one had suggested we go to war with either of these countries. By conservative estimates, the U.S. killed 600,000 civilians in Cambodia and another 350,000 in Laos.
BANGLADESH
Using weapons supplied by the U.S., General Yahya Khan overthrew the democratically elected government and murdered at least half a million civilians in 1971. In the White House, the National Security Council wanted to condemn these actions. Kissinger refused. Amid the killing, Kissinger thanked Khan for his "delicacy and tact."
CHILE
Kissinger helped to plan the 1973 U.S.-backed overthrow of the democratically elected Salvador Allende and the assassination of General René Schneider. Right-wing general Augusto Pinochet then took over. Moderates fled for their lives. Hit men, financed by the CIA, tracked down Allende supporters and killed them. These attacks included the car bombing of Allende's foreign minister, Orlando Letelier, and an aide, Ronni Moffitt, at Sheridan Circle in downtown Washington.
EAST TIMOR
In 1975 President Ford and Secretary of State Kissinger met with Indonesia's corrupt strongman Suharto. Kissinger told reporters the U.S. wouldn't recognize the tiny country of East Timor, which had recently won independence from the Portuguese. Within hours Suharto launched an invasion, killing, by some estimates, 200,000 civilians.
A more in-depth analysis: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b79b9804713.htm
Do a phrase search within the article using: "postulated by General Telford". Start reading from those searche points until you reach the section on the Congress hearing.
Look at how Kissinger was exposed for his deception about the thousands of Cambodia/Laos carpet bombings under the hearing. What does this has to do with Afghan war? It's like de ja vu all over again. Whenever the media states there are "low casualties" and the "strategic missiling not aimed at civilian targets", they/re suspect of stinky fishes. We, the public, don't have a darn clue about what *actually* is happening over there ~ but gobble everything on the coverage of the war. And if american history of Kissinger has any valuable hindsight, we should be on-guard against more ill-truths... We, collectively, owe it to the 'deceased' of 9/11 and previous atrocities.
US foreign policy has been operating as a double standard. I see the pattern is a self-serving one since I've changed my positive POV on Mr. Bush. When the international community, especially East-Asia, is on a treasure-hunt for this very possible war criminal ~ and the investigation (of indicthment) of his complicity of war crimes, the elite governmental bodies of the US does nothing. Rather, most of Mr. Kissinger's files and tapes are still classified, sealed, lock and key.
As for Mr. Hussein being a mad man.. How did he became like such? Who pushed his buttons? Someone must have.. When Kissinger was in power, part of his elite had no qualms about using deceptively subversive methods to elicit political propaganda nor have any issues about making alliances with opposing idealogies (ie: communism).
The Good verses the Evil is not so black and white as you claim it at face value from the third-party reports like the media. |
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| tiesto14 |
| quote: | Originally posted by u4ea:[soulstar]
Coo coo? Speaking of which, you do have an alleged american coo coo amongst, Mr. Kissinger. His alleged ware crimes supercedes the Taliban, and Al Quaeda combined by an astronomical number:
VIETNAM
Kissinger scuttled peace talks in 1968, paving the way for Richard Nixon's victory in the presidential race. Half the battle deaths in Vietnam took place between 1968 and 1972, not to mention the millions of civilians throughout Indochina who were killed.
CAMBODIA
Kissinger persuaded Nixon to widen the war with massive bombing of Cambodia and Laos. No one had suggested we go to war with either of these countries. By conservative estimates, the U.S. killed 600,000 civilians in Cambodia and another 350,000 in Laos.
BANGLADESH
Using weapons supplied by the U.S., General Yahya Khan overthrew the democratically elected government and murdered at least half a million civilians in 1971. In the White House, the National Security Council wanted to condemn these actions. Kissinger refused. Amid the killing, Kissinger thanked Khan for his "delicacy and tact."
CHILE
Kissinger helped to plan the 1973 U.S.-backed overthrow of the democratically elected Salvador Allende and the assassination of General René Schneider. Right-wing general Augusto Pinochet then took over. Moderates fled for their lives. Hit men, financed by the CIA, tracked down Allende supporters and killed them. These attacks included the car bombing of Allende's foreign minister, Orlando Letelier, and an aide, Ronni Moffitt, at Sheridan Circle in downtown Washington.
EAST TIMOR
In 1975 President Ford and Secretary of State Kissinger met with Indonesia's corrupt strongman Suharto. Kissinger told reporters the U.S. wouldn't recognize the tiny country of East Timor, which had recently won independence from the Portuguese. Within hours Suharto launched an invasion, killing, by some estimates, 200,000 civilians.
A more in-depth analysis: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b79b9804713.htm
Do a phrase search within the article using: "postulated by General Telford". Start reading from those searche points until you reach the section on the Congress hearing.
Look at how Kissinger was exposed for his deception about the thousands of Cambodia/Laos carpet bombings under the hearing. What does this has to do with Afghan war? It's like de ja vu all over again. Whenever the media states there are "low casualties" and the "strategic missiling not aimed at civilian targets", they/re suspect of stinky fishes. We, the public, don't have a darn clue about what *actually* is happening over there ~ but gobble everything on the coverage of the war. And if american history of Kissinger has any valuable hindsight, we should be on-guard against more ill-truths... We, collectively, owe it to the 'deceased' of 9/11 and previous atrocities.
US foreign policy has been operating as a double standard. I see the pattern is a self-serving one since I've changed my positive POV on Mr. Bush. When the international community, especially East-Asia, is on a treasure-hunt for this very possible war criminal ~ and the investigation (of indicthment) of his complicity of war crimes, the elite governmental bodies of the US does nothing. Rather, most of Mr. Kissinger's files and tapes are still classified, sealed, lock and key.
As for Mr. Hussein being a mad man.. How did he became like such? Who pushed his buttons? Someone must have.. When Kissinger was in power, part of his elite had no qualms about using deceptively subversive methods to elicit political propaganda nor have any issues about making alliances with opposing idealogies (ie: communism).
The Good verses the Evil is not so black and white as you claim it at face value from the third-party reports like the media. |
well Taliban attacked in NON WAR TIMES...so thats alot worse...and NOW your getting way off topic...u wanna talk about every war fought i am fine with that...but be prepared to battle it out..cus it will take long...
SOOOOOO before i repsond to all that...ask yourself if you really wanna talk about Vietnam and Cambodia and the rest.....thats pretty deep....your call....
and by the way...we in noway made Hussein test weapons on his own civilians..dont act as if he did that cus of us...thats crap.
so do u wanna start a 600 page thread on Americas involvement in those wars? |
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| tiesto14 |
| and ALOT of what u posted u4ea:[soulstar] is from a conspiracy theorist point of view...not all of that can be backed up with substantial evidence....jus so u know... |
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