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How sick is this? (pg. 4)
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| a-aplz |
| quote: | Originally posted by Special_K
Man they watch you im telling ya. I went to the library and asked the librarian for a "How to build pipe bombs" book and two days later i had some guys in suites at my door arresting my ass. |
Yea that happened to me once. I checked some books..how to fly planes and how to build bombs. Then I was chased by men and black suits. :nervous: :crazy: :haha: |
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| CortexBomb |
| quote: | Originally posted by JohnSmith
bombing the out of afghanistan will not end the hatred! I don't know how people can not see this simple fact. hate breeds hate. the only way out of this war, is for one party to back down, and only the US can do that now. |
But that's a little too obvious isn't it? :rolleyes:
I said it from the very beginning, if the US would just spend all that money on feeding the Afghan people, and improving their lives instead of on bombs, implements of war, etc. then you *wouldn't have terrorists attacking the US*.
It's that simple.
The US has been ing people over on a worldwide scale for a long time now, it shouldn't come as a surprise to *anyone* that the country has some enemies at this point.
Thankfully Russia and the rest of Europe is at least vocally (and economically in Russia's case) opposing the US plans to invade Iraq...if that isn't a modern Vietnam waiting to happen I don't know what is...and I mean that in *every* sense of the concept. A waste of lives, a horrible PR move, and a stupid motivating factor, in this case, blind fear and hatred on the part of Bush toward the Iraqis... |
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| sothis |
oh good lord.
as if this isnt totally typical... a random thread started up about people in afghanistan killing animals with terrible methods... STILL manages to turn into america bashing.
id say im proud of you guys... but, well, im not. i think im going to go add "america bashing" to my list of pet peeves right after i hit "submit".
but as far as animals dying, im going to have to agree with what someone said about how this kind of happens DAILY. im sure any of you would have the same reaction with watching a rabbit with its eyes clipped open, having chemicals put into its eye and watch it break its neck trying to escape while its screaming. just so girls can have mascara. or any other thing.
if people get upset about watching dogs die like this, put your effort and donations into groups that help try to stop atrocities towards animals like this that happen DAILY. |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | | as if this isnt totally typical... a random thread started up about people in afghanistan killing animals with terrible methods... STILL manages to turn into america bashing. |
You're a very smart individual, and I agree with you most of the time, but here you seem to speaking more here as an American than as a human being.
I'll give you all my perspective:
Here, in my comfy, middle-class lounge room I watched 09/11 happen. I didn't watch it live, as it happened in the middle of the Australian night, but I watched it nonetheless. I saw the second plane fly into the second WTC tower. I saw people jump from the building as they tried to escape the flames. I saw people run as they tried to escape the collapsing towers. I saw George Bush speak, from an unspecified location, about the tragedy that had unfolded in New York and Washington. I had seen images of people crying, in Melbourne, as they left flowers at the American Embassy.
And I hope everyone understands this: what happened on the 11th September touched us all. I have never been closer to tears over the past few years than I have been watching what unfolded in the US during the time when I was asleep in my nice, comfy bed on - what was for us on the east coast of Australia - the early morning of the 12th of September, 2001.
And when I woke up, I wasn't just filled with pity, I was filled with rage. I wished revenge on whoever orchestrated the attacks. No justice would be too harsh for them. I had seen the tragedy that had befallen the innocent people of New York, and, at this early stage, I was prepared to justify any action that brought the people responsible to justice. I was moved, deeply moved, and would have been prepared to advocate any military move that George Bush proposed. You may argue that I as too removed from the incident to be properly moved by it, but I can only say, how many of you were in the towers when they collapsed? How many of you had the right to be moved by the situation?
So this was how it was. For about 3-4 days, I was in a mood. While people got on with their lives (though, on September 12th - the first day the people of Melbourne were aware of what happened - I heard nothing but muted conversation about the events in New York) I was still deeply troubled by it. I kept seeing the people jumping from the towers in a desperate bid to escape the flames. I kept seeing the desperate family members posting pictures of their loved ones on nearby walls, in the hope that they were still alive. This wasn't just some "event" - watching it all unfold, I can honestly say that the few days after the attacks were amonsgt the most emotional in my life. And that would be no exaggeration.
However, after the initial "shock" disipated, I remembered thinking about the American reaction. I can remember comparing the sorrow the Americans felt, to the sorrow that the Afghan people would soon be feeling (seeing as how, even at this early stage, the US were linking the attacks to the Afghan based Bin Laden). I can remember hoping that the Americans would use the attacks as an opportunity to review their forgeirn policy: yet, somehow, I knew, that a war would be fought over the attacks. I knew that my hopes for peace were doomed to failure.
Bin Laden attacked the US over crimes commited in his own region. I'm not sugggesting he was right - far from it, the man is a bastard who deserves to die - but how many crimes have been commited in his region since? I'm not a Bin Laden sympathiser, but the longer the US-led anti-Arab-world crusade continues, the more I can see his perspective. Everyone (including me) is quick to jump on the sympathy bandwagon when we see the deaths of 6,000 Americans broadcast into out livingrooms, but when we hear about the deaths of Afghans and Iraqis (just to mention two countries) brought about by the American military and economic sanctions (which the rest of the world - baring Russia and one or two countries in Europe - seem to blindly follow) we seem to take little notice. The position that states that seeing as the events of Sepetember 11th were broadcast to us so vividly, that those who perished in these attacks are much more important in those in the Arab world are today seems ludicrous to me. As JohnSmith said, you may die in an "unprovoked" attack, or you may die in a miliary retaliation, but we all bleed the same blood.
Please, for the sake of humanity, realise, that even those who are born into an Arab dictatorship are still human. The US are not representatives of global morality.
The fact the the average person, in any country worldwide, opposes US foreign policy, should be clue enough. |
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| JohnSmith |
Very well said.
I am in canada, and i did watch the events of september 11th, live on television, over a bowl of cereal. and i was not just CLOSE to moved to tears, i was. so many people dying, so sad.
the perpetrators of these acts deserve to die. however. they are already dead.
and, while america is quick to lay blame it has not truly even been proved that bin laden orchestrated this attack. he never admitted to it. the video evidence obtained by CNN? i think it's a fake.
I came into my work, and i thought the world was going to end. I saw no planes in my skies for a week. no commercials on my TV for a week. for once, something was more important to america than money. 6 days after the attacks, the first half page add appeared in the new york times.
i hope this does not cause world war III. |
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| sothis |
look, im not saying that i agree with american methods... but this thread was started about how sick it was that afghanistans were killing dogs with chemicals.. and the response gets turned towards americans.
thats why i said im sick of america bashing. if a thread starts up on this "war", i can understand the debate, but just because something is indirectly associated doesnt mean it needs to become the topic, AGAIN. remember, the topic is "this is sick that people can do this to dogs", essentially... NOT a thread started about "america has a horrible foreign policy and they shouldnt be doing this blah blah blah" like everyone has turned it into.
do you get my point? |
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| JohnSmith |
yeah, i see your point sothis, that this has changed subjects.
but, it came from my initial response, it's my fault.
I believe that this videotape of the dogs dying was fabricated by america, to bolster up sagging support for the war on terrorism.
I believe america is poised to go to war with iraq, which george bush junior has been wanting to do ever since has daddy was there before clinton.
and these are related to the intial topic.
besides, if i started an antiwar thread, it would quickly degenerate into flames, and would probably be closed anyway. |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Renegade I saw people run as they tried to escape the collapsing towers. I saw George Bush speak, from an unspecified location, about the tragedy that had unfolded in New York and Washington. |
Er right...george dubya was in an elementary school at the time. I saw the look on his face when the second plane flew into the towers. |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by sothis
look, im not saying that i agree with american methods... but this thread was started about how sick it was that afghanistans were killing dogs with chemicals.. and the response gets turned towards americans.
thats why i said im sick of america bashing. if a thread starts up on this "war", i can understand the debate, but just because something is indirectly associated doesnt mean it needs to become the topic, AGAIN. remember, the topic is "this is sick that people can do this to dogs", essentially... NOT a thread started about "america has a horrible foreign policy and they shouldnt be doing this blah blah blah" like everyone has turned it into.
do you get my point? |
i agree but, chemical/biological weapons are manufactured to kill humans not animals. Testing is done on animals to perfect a formula, yes its cruel, but a potential from an enemy to destroy us is an even larger concern. Im sure these people can use humans to do their testing, but using a dog is sufficient to prove a point. Do you get my point?
Me also sick of american bashing. |
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| mos man |
| quote: | Originally posted by a-aplz
:whip: :whip: :whip: :whip:
Lets kill them all!!!! Dogs are good. :( |
not as good as cats :thepirate |
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| Maaz |
*Maaz comes back from big black van*
Way to go, Renegade! Wise words, sin... hhmmm... what? not again!
*Maaz is taken back to big black van* |
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| a-aplz |
| quote: | Originally posted by mos man
not as good as cats :thepirate |
Hell yea! Cats own. Though I just jumped on mine 30 mins ago. :sadgreen: |
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