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This whole concept of "finding sounds that work"... (pg. 11)
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| EddieZilker |
| Forza is honestly my favorite video game franchise. Very addictive, especially when most of the assists are turned off. It's so replayable, too. It's nothing to get to the end, have all the cars and just start over again choosing a different competition path. Forza 4 adds another dimension to that while also allowing for a choice of vehicles awarded rather than just being given one, every level you achieve. It also lets you tweak and tune the cars. It's just ridiculous how well that game is made. |
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| G-Con |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Funny, I was thinking exactly the same thing about you. I swear it seems you only chime in when you see me posting about something.
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Pretty sure this is only the second time I have "chimed" in on something you posted |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by G-Con
Pretty sure this is only the second time I have "chimed" in on something you posted |
Interesting to note you're keeping count :p
| quote: | Originally posted by EZ
Forza is honestly my favorite video game franchise. Very addictive, especially when most of the assists are turned off. It's so replayable, too. It's nothing to get to the end, have all the cars and just start over again choosing a different competition path. Forza 4 adds another dimension to that while also allowing for a choice of vehicles awarded rather than just being given one, every level you achieve. It also lets you tweak and tune the cars. It's just ridiculous how well that game is made.
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..but has it made you a better driver in real life?
(sorry, couldn't resist :toothless ) |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
..but has it made you a better driver in real life?
(sorry, couldn't resist :toothless ) |
I'd like to think that it has. Let's face it: There is a huge qualitative gap between a $675,000 2009 Koenigsegg CCGT and a -($971.06) 1991 Plymouth Death-Trap Minivan - Family Annihilator Edition. In the time it takes the Plymouth to get to forty-nine miles per hour, the CCGT is nearing the take-off speed for a Boeing 727. Still, there are times when I fully benefit from the foresight offered by the hindsight of events precipitating a tragic multi-car accident on Germany's Nurburgring. |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
I'd like to think that it has. Let's face it: There is a huge qualitative gap between a $675,000 2009 Koenigsegg CCGT and a -($971.06) 1991 Plymouth Death-Trap Minivan - Family Annihilator Edition. In the time it takes the Plymouth to get to forty-nine miles per hour, the CCGT is nearing the take-off speed for a Boeing 727. Still, there are times when I fully benefit from the foresight offered by the hindsight of events precipitating a tragic multi-car accident on Germany's Nurburgring. |
Dang, that thing is sexy.
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
Dang, that thing is sexy.
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Old Bessie runs like a boss and has a fuel injected V6 worth harvesting by the time the rest of her frame has all but rusted out from underneath it. True Story: She had a flat tire on my birthday, two years ago, and I had to walk to the grocery-store to change the right front tire. I get there, put the jack on the hard-point, and start cranking. That part of the frame was so rusted out that it just disintegrated. We wound up driving it to a nearby pump to refill the slow-leak and get it to the mechanic's but her days are numbered. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Old Bessie runs like a boss and has a fuel injected V6 worth harvesting by the time the rest of her frame has all but rusted out from underneath it. True Story: She had a flat tire on my birthday, two years ago, and I had to walk to the grocery-store to change the right front tire. I get there, put the jack on the hard-point, and start cranking. That part of the frame was so rusted out that it just disintegrated. We wound up driving it to a nearby pump to refill the slow-leak and get it to the mechanic's but her days are numbered. |
Gota say that's something wierd about Yank car designers, 'I know, lets take a perfectly good metal car and stick some cheap trailor home, kitchen flooring on the side, they'l be queuing out the door for this sh11t'! |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Gota say that's something wierd about Yank car designers, 'I know, lets take a perfectly good metal car and stick some cheap trailor home, kitchen flooring on the side, they'l be queuing out the door for this sh11t'! |
What's funny is that the town where I live has tons of the very same sort of car, fake wood panel paper, and all.
American car design has always been something of a national tragedy, though. There's the uniquely American "muscle car mentality" which places a premium on burning rubber over how that rubber manages the transmission of power to the road. The new Saleen Mustang is an excellent example of that - and it even takes a step backward when you consider what Saleen's 25th Anniversary Edition of the Mustang was. |
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| pointPi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
it isn' ok tho. Adults playing video games, there is just something wrong. Read, listen to music , cook ... Learn about the finer things in life. Video games teach you nothing, waste your time, make you fat and cause old granny wrist syndrome or the slang term carpel tunnel syndrome.
It is an addiction people have. To have that instant gratification, to not have to go out in public.... Video games highlight much of what is wrong with this generation. Isolation, lack of exercise, lack of culture ..... A movie is better than a video game. You can analyze a movie, have a debate over a movie, but a video game offers nothing but mediocre fun.
you wan to shoot people, paint ball. YOu wan to drive, go off roading. Rent a skidoo. Go joyroyding in a stolen car. You wan to kill zombies, buy a ticket for a Trivium concert and just mosh wih a weapon. |
Reading this post just made my teeth grind. You come of to me as a grumpy old man who complains over everything new and looks down at any form of escapism.
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Look, video games have had a great impact on my life (even though I didn't really have the richest gaming experience possible). They have shaped my view on the world, my ambitions in life and my general taste in music, movies, paintings and literature. If I was living a century ago, I'd aspire to become a toy maker. I'd even go as far as insisting everyone else that toys should be considered an art form and that also adults are in need of toys (not counting 'adult toys').
Video games are so much more than hunchback teens playing WoW, Halo, Madden, Fifa or CoD. Metroid series, Portal series, Minecraft, Little Big Planet, SimCity, Ico, Mass Effect series, Half-Life series, Team Fortress 2, Ace Attorney series, Shadow of the Colossus, Psychonauts, the early Final Fantasy games, Bastion, Bioshock and even the Kirby series are all examples of gaming experiences that are both fun AND life-enriching.
I think the reason you look down on video games, is probably for the same reason you presumably look down on toys: they seem to be meant for children. Adults should definitely not be messing with toys, they should be working at a bank, paying their taxes, discuss insurances and estate loans by the water cooler. They should be considering stuff arthouse critics like the only things that can qualify as art, and they should be talking about Oscar awarded movies and Nobel prize awarded literature down at the country club.
By doing all of this, adults can belong to the white collar pack, giving themselves the false implication that they're one step closer to becoming a 'Mad Men'-character.
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Seriously, Watch. All of this. NAUGHWH!!!
Anyway, I consider video games to be a form of art you toy around with and remember, kids, Toys>Tools. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
I look down on video games in the same manner I look down on junk TV. It does not enrich your life. IT does not teach you anything. It is mind numbing time wasting for people that do not treasure life and the actual things in this world that are worth spending time with. '
I don't think all games are a waste of time. I am a chess enthusiast but unlike your fps that teach you to be a fidgety loner, chess trains your mind, increases you attention and improves your ability to focus.
I don't really care if you do it, but i still find it incredibly lame. I mean if an adult started talking to me about playing video games, I would just laugh. Pathetic. But perhaps the concept of enlightening once's self is not a priority. Not that it should be. But that is how I live my life and that is similarly the type of people whose company I enjoy. Video games not only gives you nothing but from opportunity cost robs you the opportunity to learn and better yourself.
To be honest, the fact that an entire generation has no knowledge of literature, art, music is rather sad and pathetic. So yes, I think video games rob people of things that are so much more interesting. This isn't to say there are no positives. There are. But these are the sort of things you learn as a kid playing, not an adult. It isn't like I didn't play video games ever. I have. I quickly noticed the how it was like a drug that sucks you in giving you nothing back. If you are able to play 1 hour a week. Fine. But if it is something you do every day, well i feel for you and think your life is one I would find very lonely and boring. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
OMG you dirty filthy whores what have you done to my thread?
I have no idea how this thread went from my mid life production crisis to this bull. But ffs I might as well comment on video games now.
I will say this, I do not play video games and even when I was in highschool I never liked them. Its just extremely boring I find unless I'm high and its GTA as the beating up hookers thing was just a brilliant idea imo. But really I just never understood video games I guess.
What I will also say is my older brother who I've always thought to be semiretarded (IQ of 70-80) has always been a hardcore gamer/video game lover. I don't actually know what is IQ is but he was always the type of person to be entertained by simple things. Like now that Beavis and Butthead is airing again of course thats his new favorite show.
But anyway the kid doesn't really do much of anything with his life but go to work as a butcher and then come home and play video games all day long. I you not this is what he does everyday of his life. Wake up, go to work, come home, play video games till he falls asleep. Wake up and repeat. At some point in his life he somehow managed to scurry up an attractive gf (no idea how) and I definitely wouldn't call him a nerd more but he's definitely a guido more than anything.
Anyway I don't have anything against people who play video games and likely its all the drugs I've done thats ruined my ability to enjoy the more simple things in life. I don't really watch any movies or tv shows either my tv is usually off 24 hours a day. At that point in my life (teens) I was dropping E and doing lots of speed and 10 years later I definitely find I have some serious issues with apathy and finding things to entertain myself. Only real fun things I can think of that I actually enjoy anymore are ing or making music. And good conversation can sometimes be entertaining too. But video games, tv, movies, small talk, sports, I ing despise all that . Especially sports. Was raised in a family that was gungho football and all that lame "sports give you discipline in life" but I think sports are just as much an excuse for americans to drink and be fat as video games are.
Not saying you can't play video games and be a cool person but obviously a good portion of that population tends to be intraverted I find. And just saying that might make it sound like I think of myself as a cool person but I'm definitely more on the quirky side as I'm sure many of you already know.
Yeh but anyway I think I was suppose to submit a sample or something that kinda failed when I found the Sander Von Doorn tutorials and realized you can automate a delay to use as a build up for a track. lol. But really I was watching him do some extremely basic the other day and it clicked to me that 1 - what Ralphie said is 100% spot on. 2 - I've always viewed myself as a very out of the box thinker but I am begining to realize that is only true in terms of life and general human psychology. When it comes to music I'm starting to realize I have some serious ing issues thinking outside the box.
I have never before in my life ever made a track build to climax by automating fxs like reverb or delay. I'm really realizing that I'm a 1 trick poney type of person in terms of my production. I ALWAYS try to make the meanest most bad ass sounds I can and seem to rely on filters opening and different melody sequences as my build ups. But seeing Von Doorn in action really has ed with my head a lot. That is 1 set of videos that are simply like none I have ever seen before on the net before. I was going back to tyas's fm tut for a long while thinking there was valuable information in there but he does not explain . He does not explain WHY he did certain things, he just tells you "x effect is good because it makes the sound warm". Von Doorn talks in his tut like if you were there with him in real life and really I just can't explain how this has changed my perception on all this .
I lack a TON of techniques. Creative ability and all that crap. Learning how to make sounds really move the right way. Learning how to make them sound natural. And one thing that really shocked me was how consistently he seemed to recycle his sounds. I've always had an issue with adding new sounds that always seem to take away from my tracks. But watching this guy in action he makes ing fx from his basslines ffs, he takes just a few basic sounds and really works just those few sounds I noticed. And watching him I saw the type of cohesion and form it added to his tracks. I NEED to start doing this stuff. I need to learn how to recycle sounds in interesting creative ways this is totally what I am missing. He just worked in a very strategic way that I'm not use to seeing. And this has inspired me a lot. Along with all the people saying I gotta remove from my computer and I 100% agree with that.
I will get some type of sample up eventually I just really wanna do some creative experimenting these next couple days before I lose the motivation and go back to my closed box way of thinking and making music. I'm really doing a lot of things I've never even thought of doing before in my productions and I feel like if I force a good sample out right now (just to appease you people) I'm going to go back to obsessing about parameters and sound quality and that will be it for me.
edit: I really could have said this whole post in 1 sentence. My main point though is that for a long time I have just needed someone to sit down by me in the studio to watch what I'm doing and for so long I have not had that.
I have not had the ability to see that I literally do the same thing every single ing day and THAT is why my productions are suffering. Although I know you should have tons of ideas and try to use tons of different ideas for some reason I still stuck to doing things the same way I'd just look for different sounds but would mix those different sounds the same exact way. THAT was my problem. I don't know why it was so hard to see but like I said all it took was watching Von Doorn. Its not about having 1 killer sequence over 1 killer basslines its about having dozens of ideas and actually using those ideas and having them evolve. I just really have not been doing this and this is exactly what I am changing for now on. I mean if you listen to all my samples in the past you people have to see this was my main issue. Its always either a low passed or hipassed bassline and I just drop in whichever frequencies when the beat drops in and have always done that over and over and over somehow thinking I was being "creative". The fact is I have no ing idea what the word creative means and for now on thats what I'm striving for, creativity, technique and strategy. Actually having ideas. I really think this is what I need to focus on the most I mean you people have to agree with me right? Looking at things clearly now this is all I can come up with, I am just one very uncreative ing person. I mean 9 years really? To figure out you could put tremolo on noise to make it sound better? This is obviously my issue the problem is creativity here. |
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| Beatflux |
| Pjanoo is just one bassline and one piano riff with the same rhythm. I don't think you need a whole lot of ideas to have a great track. |
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