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This whole concept of "finding sounds that work"... (pg. 13)
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| Smackldach |
"...trying to make an amazing bassline? Imagine how frustrating it'll be when you FINALLY make one, but can't write a song to put it in if your life depends on it."
If only one thing can be taken away from this thread, this should be it. |
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| EliPsE |
| Not sure why you are worrying so much about your sound before the track is even finished. Maybe you should change it up and use a GM sound set. The sounds are standard and you can't do much manipulation to it, but it will allow you to finish a song and still sound decent. The limitations will also help tremendously by forcing you to be very creative with your arrangement. |
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| EddieZilker |
| Have any of you who keep trying to persuade him to finish a song not considered the prospect that it's impossible? Not that your arguments aren't persuasive but there's clearly something missing from his process. The more you argue against perfectionism, the more perfectionist he becomes, as though he's stuck trying to prove you all wrong; that perfectionism will eventually win the day. |
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| -FSP- |
Robbie, if you type more than a paragraph in this thread, none of us are going to read it unless you talked about your trials and tribulations finishing the whole damned song. The time it takes to make your essay long posts could be spent elsewhere.
edit: i replaced "making" with "finishing" |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by -FSP-
Robbie, if you type more than a paragraph in this thread, none of us are going to read it unless you talked about your trials and tribulations making the whole damned song. The time it takes to make your essay long posts could be spent elsewhere. |
That's another funny thing. It seems not much of a leap of faith for him to hit the submit button for a meta-mega-post but when it comes to releasing a tune out into the wild, no can do. |
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| BritishLizard |
| That is the problem today, there are too many "Producers" that do not even know the fundamentals of music. It is easy for anyone that wants to be a producer to get music out there these days hence the the reason that I can go through 400 songs on Beatport and maybe find 3 tracks that are worth buying. You must know the basics first, like what an EQ does and how it works on sounds and what dynamic processors are used for and simple music theory. I have seen many "Producers" that do not even know what an LFO is or what it does. You need to know what it does in order to use it properly. Use the internet, Google, You Tube etc... they are great tools to use that are literally at your finger tips. |
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| Kysora |
Uh, I don't think Robby's problem is that he doesn't know what an LFO is. Pretty sure it's completely the other way around. There's too many people trying to be "musicians" who do very few things that actually exercise creativity and originality.
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Have any of you who keep trying to persuade him to finish a song not considered the prospect that it's impossible? |
It's not impossible to give it a shot. Whether he succeeds or fails, he'll learn more from the attempt than anything he's doing now. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by BritishLizard
That is the problem today, there are too many "Producers" that do not even know the fundamentals of music. It is easy for anyone that wants to be a producer to get music out there these days hence the the reason that I can go through 400 songs on Beatport and maybe find 3 tracks that are worth buying. You must know the basics first, like what an EQ does and how it works on sounds and what dynamic processors are used for and simple music theory. I have seen many "Producers" that do not even know what an LFO is or what it does. You need to know what it does in order to use it properly. Use the internet, Google, You Tube etc... they are great tools to use that are literally at your finger tips. |
irrelevant. Robby doesn't finish because he is afraid to making something that might be bad. Fear of failure is the only thing at play here. Sucking does not prevent you from finishing. |
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| BritishLizard |
| I guess I should have stated that this was directed at the masses and not Robbie per say. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
It's not impossible to give it a shot. Whether he succeeds or fails, he'll learn more from the attempt than anything he's doing now. |
I'm pretty sure there are close to 100 source files that Robby has which could be brought to completion in a relatively short amount of time, if he'd just do it. It's not for lack of motivation. There's nothing wrong with his work flow. The guy clearly has skill. The problem isn't that he's not trying hard enough.
When it comes to music, he's a perfectionist and it's debilitating him. The more you guys tell him he's wrong, the more he's going to try to prove you wrong - and Robby, if you're reading this - I really want you to prove me wrong. Seriously, imagine if Robby applied the same ethos to posting that he does for music.
This forum would be a lot quieter. |
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| Kysora |
| Well, if he chooses to ignore us and keep doing what he's doing just to "prove us wrong" then that's his choice to make, but I still think it's decent advice and it's still worth throwing at him, even if nothing comes of it. Though I'm hoping something will. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
You know what I love you guys. I really do I got mad respect for all you people. I like all your takes on what was said here Kysora knows me the best here and M4B makes a great point about fear of failure but what Eddie said genuinely scared me a lot.
Something in my process keeps causing some form of "analysis paralysis" and rather than analyze what my actual solution is I think I need to make a simple fundamental change in my process in order to remedy this.
That change is going to be for my next track ... I am NOT making a bassline. Cause like Eddie said this last track I tried not to obsess over the bassline but I still don't want to finish it because there is tweaking left that I can do and I hate the way it sounds. It is definitely doing something to me because its like I literally can't finish a track as long there is potential left to work on my bass.. which there always seems to be. For some reason I just fear my basses not being perfect. And what Ky said also struck a chord too. I've never really imagine what it would be like to actually produce a bassline I'm happy with.
I never really went through that process in my head.
What the would I do? I honestly don't know. I would not stop producing thats for sure but I think I'd be left with some serious type of empty feeling in my chest. Like x however many ing years wasted on basslines for what? And I have WASTED SO MUCH TIME.
I think it would be like having a part of your body your deeply insecure about so you can never finish sex and people keep telling you "just do it" but they don't understand the anxiety you feel and why it paralyzes you. I don't feel anxious when I'm making my bass its more of an obsessive type of behavoir that I've gotten far too use to.
So I'm removing that variable completely and if this doesn't work honestly I don't know what will like Eddie said. There is just nothing else I can think of I need that inspiration to wanna finish something but for some reason it seems I derive that inspiration totally from my bass. Its ing stupid I know. I need to force myself to get inspiration from other instruments this just isn't normal, and I'm really hoping this works it makes sense so I don't see why it wouldn't. |
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