Originally posted by Andy28
I'll kick your ass :whip: Probably my fav game of all time!!
Bring it :cool:
You don't stand a chance :whip:
Kysora
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Whether it's pacman or Medal of Honor, bottom line, you're not going anywhere they don't want you to and ultimately, the goal and finish are preset based upon the actions your forced to do to win (no matter how much free will you think there is).
oh, just like movies, books, songs, plays, board games and any other form of entertainment that's created by someone with the intention on taking an audience on a journey in one way or another. at least you do have free-will in a game to change the way it's going to progress to that ending, or in the case of games like heavy rain, fable, etc. your actions directly change the progression of the story. and then there are games that don't have an ending at all.
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Great, you can play against other dweebs all locked in the bedrooms, all thinking you're somehow getting enlightened and enhanced by this amazing game.
you're the one projecting that idea onto us, not the other way around. not many people think we're being "enlightened" by playing a ing video game, and the ones who might are seen as idiots just as much in my eyes as yours.
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Look, play all you want. Have fun with it, but don't think for a second somehow when war breaks out, you're going to be any better prepared than the next man, just because you put in 10,000 hours in on call of duty or battlefield, or that you're a better driver because of your addiction to need for speed.
you're criticizing the medium for reasons beyond its intentions, and doing so without any opposing argument. nobody said they play games to learn how to do that in this thread and nobody does it to begin with.
hey, produce all the music you want, but don't think for a second if you use a string patch you're going to learn how to play the violin. who the cares? it's not the point.
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
I'll make a prediction: At some point in your life, you'll realise that they mean nothing apart from a little fun, and when the real opportunities and pressures kick in, you'll find that you should have done something else with all that time.
you could say that to anyone who has a hobby for the sake of itself that takes up a decent amount of time. I've got a buddy who likes shooting guns every weekend. seems ing stupid to me to spend 6 hours in the woods shooting tin cans and bottles but I don't preach to him that he's wasting his life like you are to me, because it's what he enjoys doing.
look, I just have a problem with people who insist their preferences are anything more than that. if you don't like video games, I couldn't care less, but you're taking it one step further by trying to demean the people who do. I'm not a dweeb, I'm not a recluse (I'm willing to bet you spend most of your producing time alone, in front of a screen.. most of my time spent gaming is with 2-7 friends at a time, and not through the internet), and I don't have the mental age of a 12 year old. seriously, anyone who insults someone for having a hobby that's different than theirs.
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by Kysora
oh, just like movies, books, songs, plays, board games and any other form of entertainment that's created by someone with the intention on taking an audience on a journey in one way or another. at least you do have free-will in a game to change the way it's going to progress to that ending, or in the case of games like heavy rain, fable, etc. your actions directly change the progression of the story. and then there are games that don't have an ending at all.
That's the whole point, I don't care if it's entertainment or just a bit of fun, I just believe you're wasting your life with excessive amounts of gameplay, and especially so with your earlier instance that it's somehow playing games will make you a ninja in real life.
Don't make me re-quote your attempts to justify how it will by listing some logic/learning games that have nothing to do with the subject in hand anyway.
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Originally posted by Kysora
you're the one projecting that idea onto us, not the other way around. not many people think we're being "enlightened" by playing a ing video game, and the ones who might are seen as idiots just as much in my eyes as yours.
Eh? Then why argue with me or try to justify it earlier with your other responses.
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Originally posted by Kysora
you're criticizing the medium for reasons beyond its intentions, and doing so without any opposing argument. nobody said they play games to learn how to do that in this thread and nobody does it to begin with.
Man, you like moving the goalposts don't you? I was the one that said you don't learn from the game YOU were bringin up and then started to talk about learning games in an attempt to back it up, but I called you on it. Just go back and read what you were posting on the last page.
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Originally posted by Kysora
hey, produce all the music you want, but don't think for a second if you use a string patch you're going to learn how to play the violin. who the cares? it's not the point.
No, but I'll learn something about synthesis, musical theory or engineering, which actually enhances my life as it's my day job as well.
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Originally posted by Kysora
you could say that to anyone who has a hobby for the sake of itself that takes up a decent amount of time. I've got a buddy who likes shooting guns every weekend. seems ing stupid to me to spend 6 hours in the woods shooting tin cans and bottles but I don't preach to him that he's wasting his life like you are to me, because it's what he enjoys doing.
Yeah, but if if war breaks out, I'd want to have him on my side, geddit?
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Originally posted by Kysora
look, I just have a problem with people who insist their preferences are anything more than that. if you don't like video games, I couldn't care less, but you're taking it one step further by trying to demean the people who do. I'm not a dweeb, I'm not a recluse (I'm willing to bet you spend most of your producing time alone, in front of a screen.. most of my time spent gaming is with 2-7 friends at a time, and not through the internet), and I don't have the mental age of a 12 year old. seriously, anyone who insults someone for having a hobby that's different than theirs.
Me neither. I just find it funny when an adult is at the checkout with a game.
-FSP-
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
I'm basically in the same boat as you Andy - I've actually never met anyone that can beat me at street fighter II. I'm not joking - I hadn't even touched it for 8 years when someone at work bought in a SNES and started mouthing off how good they were. After one round, I was again at one with the Street Fighter. 17 people lined up to beat me and I handed it to all of them. There's only one or two things in this life I'm an unashamed bastard about, but my prowess on that game is one of those few things.
I know!
And, where the is that sample Robby!!!!
I bet you can't beat this guy here:
Daigo is known to be one of the best players who've played street fighter. Bet you can't beat him.
This man is just crazy. Also, regular SF2 is not a competitive game. Anyone can get dizzied any time and everyone just gets locked down by guile there.
To make those types of comebacks that late in the tournament bracket requires a great amount of analysis. Note that they are against human opponents, they change, they plan, and they get creative. You need to be pretty logical to beat those guys in the vids i posted.
/nerd rage
Looney4Clooney
you didn't just post that jesus titty christ.
playing games, like touching children is something you keep to yourself. And how the does that get a crowd. Unbelievable.
Richard Butler
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
You may learn a bit of history from a game, or even get a bit of creative inspiration, but going to a library or sparking up a conversation with someone smarter that you for an hour will do 1000 times that.
Yes and mastering a martial art such as Krav Maga you get to be a real life fighter and to train with special forces in Israel. Beats being na cream puff playing games to pretend to be a warrior. Why pretend when you can do it for real? Huh? I do like the odd game but after a while you sit up n feel ty like when you've been on a plane too long, and yearn for the outside.
EddieZilker
Krav Maga has too many telegraphic moves to be worth investing that much time in.
I prefer Muay Thai. :o
Looney4Clooney
i have a black belt in tai bo. I've KO'd like 3 chicks in my jazzercise/tai bo class. It alternates.
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by Richard Butler
Yes and mastering a martial art such as Krav Maga you get to be a real life fighter and to train with special forces in Israel. Beats being na cream puff playing games to pretend to be a warrior. Why pretend when you can do it for real? Huh? I do like the odd game but after a while you sit up n feel ty like when you've been on a plane too long, and yearn for the outside.
um pretty sure Israel's martial art is lowballing.
ya i just went there.
G-Con
DJRANN, I was gonna quote your first post in regards to games where you sounded like an utter twat and your second post where you sound like a bigger twat but it.
People play games for fun, just like people enjoy watching sports, reading novels, painting, watching films, etc etc. It's a hobby people have to enjoy themselves. Nothing more, nothing less.
Many of the producers on this very forum produce music as a hobby. They will never "make it" in any way shape or form. Their music (if they finish tracks, many don't!) will only ever be heard by a handful of people, relatively speaking. They have a separate career which has nothing to do with music. Yet they will go home and spend several hours each night sitting on their own in front of a computer twiddling synths and FX, clicking away with their mouse and musing over whether higher sample rates really do make a difference. And why do they do this? Because they enjoy it! It's their hobby and they like to spend their time on this hobby.
Sure, they will learn production skills and techniques as they go along. But as this is only a hobby and not a career path, those skills will only ever be of use whilst they are doing this hobby. Just like the skills a gamer builds up are only of any real use when playing games.
Why you felt the need to pipe in with your bul, I'll never know...
Kysora
It just seems silly since gaming is nerdy only because it's based on technology, there's a sub-culture around it, and there's the stereotypical "sitting in your room alone, in the dark, in front of a screen for hours on end" view, even though that's not always the case
Except that completely mirrors music production, yet Rann/l4c gets a pass on that since it's their career. If I made a living on playing games, though..
ah, it, you're right. this is a dumb argument.
Beatflux
Competitive Street Fighter isn't about pulling off moves, its all mind games and trying to predict what the other person will do.
Competitive shooters are as much about working together as a team, as well as adapting to your circumstances.
In both cases, self talk is extremely important in how well you do because gaming is 99% mental.
