Originally posted by Beatflux
What games are you talking about?
If he says Wizardry or Ultima, I'm out of here!
-FSP-
Chess is a game with few variables and it's played on a grid. It's played with very specific rules with very specific ways to beat the game.
Pretty sure Gary Kasparov is a jobber IRL.
I don't follow Halo at all, but I know that there are FPS games with the same teams showing up in the top 32. Starcraft 2 has consistency with player placings in tournaments. The Street Fighter scene has the same people placing all the time with few frauds in the top 8 even in an era where the game caters to weaker plebs. Pretty sure you get to the top being smarter than everyone.
Those scenes play games where logic is involved. They are just played in different language-games.
/nerd rage
Osmodiar
I got the XCOM reference.. not so much the rest lol. Ufo enemy unknown, agreed it was awesome. I all but gave up gaming to pursue music though, now unless a game is ridiculously entertaining I just feel like i'm wasting my time after a little while. I don't know if it's just because I wasted so much time on them when I was younger but they don't seem to be able to hold my attention for very long anymore, and I end up feeling like I should be in the studio.
Looney4Clooney
ya i stopped in grade 6. COnscious decision as it wasn't doing anything for me and i was an addict.
Raphie
So Robby let me get this straight:
- you're like a ing hamster
- you've collected every single samplepack and soundset you can find
- But still you can't find the great sounds you "hear" in your head and so you keep on "searching" for other vsti's and samples.
My advice: stop downloading, start PRODUCING
- learn to create your own sound ands commit to 1 or 2 VSTis to get there.
- stop using loops, start programming drums yourself.
the problem is not managing the content, the problem is managing yourself, having to much choice and the lack of abillity to commit and actually produce something. You need to clear your brain, not oyur harddrive. It's just one of the mental obstacles / excuses for not making music ;) It's not te content that's the issue it's you collecting that's the problem. Like to people on shows who live in in there ruined house and get a garage sale and house makeover to get their life back together :D
atxbigballer1
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Originally posted by -FSP-
Chess is a game with few variables and it's played on a grid. It's played with very specific rules with very specific ways to beat the game.
Originally posted by DJ RANN
However, it's any oxymoron to suggest I should not go on about a subject, you assume I know nothing about....for the simple fact you have no idea how much i know about computer games;
well for one it's not an oxymoron, and two I was responding to your attack on modern games, which you further confirmed that you know jack about below.
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Originally posted by DJ RANN Don't get me wrong, play away for fun/entertainment, but those that think computer games enhance their abilities in real life (maybe apart from how to stack boxes) are delusional, except in the case of very specific logic games (and no, halo & CIV are not those).
Ever hear of Stepmania? It's a rhythm game based on DDR that you can play with a keyboard. I can accurately hit constant streams of 16th notes at 230 BPM, and combo up to something like 270. 18 keys/second. thanks to that I can type at 160 wpm with no errors, and my reaction time is improved with pretty much everything else.
I've got other examples but you're going to deny that they're truly "useful" so I'll just go ahead and point out that nobody actually claimed to play games for the sake of learning meaningful life skills, so this whole point is moot anyway.
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Originally posted by DJ RANN The reason is that nearly all computer games are to be played within a very specific set of rules, all with specific ways for you to beat them.
Again, ever hear of online multiplayer? Look up games like Heroes of Newerth, there's easily over 100 different characters to play as, each with different abilities, strengths, weaknesses and the meta-game strategies are complicated enough to fill a ing encyclopedia series. or super smash brothers, there's a ton of different characters. just go to a SSB wiki, look up the advanced strategies per character, and try to tell me there's a "specific way" to beat your enemies. it's ing nuts how much variation there can be.
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Originally posted by DJ RANN It's not like playing games in real life where the potential variables are unlimited and interaction of others can have any outcome
except for fun, which you are conveniently ignoring. unless this is a lecture purely on the learning potential within video games, in which case I have to ask what exactly it is you're smoking to think that's relevant at all to why people should play them.
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Originally posted by DJ RANN The regulars here actually know what they'er talking about and more often than not, are humble enough to admit when they don't know about a particular
subject.
you basically said you haven't played games since you were 15, I've been playing them actively since I was 3 and continue to do so. you are not a gamer, yet you make claims about games and the communities who play them as if you are. that doesn't make you humble.
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by Kysora
well for one it's not an oxymoron, and two I was responding to your attack on modern games, which you further confirmed that you know jack about below.
Firstly, (& again) don't assume you don't know and I haven't said. You didn't preface anything about "modern games" (not that it matters one either way), and subsequently, it's now obvious I know a lot more than you assumed I did, considering I was programming games before you were born and that i actually work (albeit to a small degree) in the games industry on titles talked about in this thread.
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Originally posted by Kysora
Ever hear of Stepmania? It's a rhythm game based on DDR that you can play with a keyboard. I can accurately hit constant streams of 16th notes at 230 BPM, and combo up to something like 270. 18 keys/second. thanks to that I can type at 160 wpm with no errors, and my reaction time is improved with pretty much everything else.
I've got other examples but you're going to deny that they're truly "useful" so I'll just go ahead and point out that nobody actually claimed to play games for the sake of learning meaningful life skills, so this whole point is moot anyway.
Don't try it....and yes you're right this is moot because that not what we're talking about. I already provided for logic/learning games and it's not the subject here. We're not talking about typing teachers, or piano games, or crossword puzzles, so don't try to use that to support a PC games addiction. We're talking about games where you blow up with weapons.
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Originally posted by Kysora
Again, ever hear of online multiplayer? Look up games like Heroes of Newerth, there's easily over 100 different characters to play as, each with different abilities, strengths, weaknesses and the meta-game strategies are complicated enough to fill a ing encyclopedia series. or super smash brothers, there's a ton of different characters. just go to a SSB wiki, look up the advanced strategies per character, and try to tell me there's a "specific way" to beat your enemies. it's ing nuts how much variation there can be.
You need to get out more. You're all still playing the same variables in a preprogrammed environment. Whether it's pacman or Medal of Honor, bottom line, you're not going anywhere they don't want you to and ultimately, the goal and finish are preset based upon the actions your forced to do to win (no matter how much free will you think there is). Great, you can play against other dweebs all locked in the bedrooms, all thinking you're somehow getting enlightened and enhanced by this amazing game.
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Originally posted by Kysora
except for fun, which you are conveniently ignoring. unless this is a lecture purely on the learning potential within video games, in which case I have to ask what exactly it is you're smoking to think that's relevant at all to why people should play them.
Learn to read before posting:
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
Don't get me wrong, play away for fun/entertainment...
I could care less if you spend your life in a dark room with a tiny piece of plastic between your hands thinking it's going to make you empowered in real life.
If only there was a game that would make your reading and understanding better. Oh snap, I'm going to get you citadel of choas for xmas!
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Originally posted by Kysora
you basically said you haven't played games since you were 15, I've been playing them actively since I was 3 and continue to do so. you are not a gamer, yet you make claims about games and the communities who play them as if you are. that doesn't make you humble.
That's not something to be too proud about, but me, you struggle with this reading stuff don't you.
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
(Beatflux: Have you played any modern games?)Yes. At least for a few minutes before I realised they are just another slick looking variation on an old theme.
Look, play all you want. Have fun with it, but don't think for a second somehow when war breaks out, you're going to be any better prepared than the next man, just because you put in 10,000 hours in on call of duty or battlefield, or that you're a better driver because of your addiction to need for speed.
I'll make a prediction: At some point in your life, you'll realise that they mean nothing apart from a little fun, and when the real opportunities and pressures kick in, you'll find that you should have done something else with all that time.
That's what happened to me but I'm just lucky I found out early enough to get on with my life. I may play something from time to time, especially if it's a title we're doing at work, but other than that, I'd prefer to waste my life making music on my downtime - at least I'm actually learning something useful while tangibly creating something.
Andy28
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Originally posted by DJ RANN I'll make a prediction: At some point in your life, you'll realise that they mean nothing apart from a little fun, and when the real opportunities and pressures kick in, you'll find that you should have done something else with all that time.
I think age has everything to do with this.. I used to love games but now I would just rather spend my time doing other things. Gaming wasn't a casual thing for me, late teens it was my life. I even won an invite to nintendo uk with 3 other dweebs for a mario kart gba comp because I was that good. Can't believe I'm even telling you this but the point is you will probably grow out of it. Not saying you will never play games again when your older but there will come a time in your life when you realise there are far more important things you should be doing with yourself, and if not, maybe you need to get out more!
This is why I love TA :stongue: How did the thread come to this?
And where is Robby with his sample??
DJ RANN
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Originally posted by Andy28
I think age has everything to do with this.. I used to love games but now I would just rather spend my time doing other things. Gaming wasn't a casual thing for me, late teens it was my life. I even won an invite to nintendo uk with 3 other dweebs for a mario kart gba comp because I was that good. Can't believe I'm even telling you this but the point is you will probably grow out of it. Not saying you will never play games again when your older but there will come a time in your life when you realise there are far more important things you should be doing with yourself, and if not, maybe you need to get out more!
I'm basically in the same boat as you Andy - I've actually never met anyone that can beat me at street fighter II. I'm not joking - I hadn't even touched it for 8 years when someone at work bought in a SNES and started mouthing off how good they were. After one round, I was again at one with the Street Fighter. 17 people lined up to beat me and I handed it to all of them. There's only one or two things in this life I'm an unashamed bastard about, but my prowess on that game is one of those few things.
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Originally posted by Andy28
This is why I love TA :stongue: How did the thread come to this?
And where is Robby with his sample??
I know!
And, where the is that sample Robby!!!!
Andy28
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Originally posted by DJ RANN
I've actually never met anyone that can beat me at street fighter II.
I'll kick your ass :whip: Probably my fav game of all time!!
