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Dj Tiesto Will Play At The Opening Ceremonies Of the Athens 2004 Olympics (pg. 11)
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kytracid
People who say Tiesto #1 make me laugh though. Honestly, when are people going to stop believing the results of popularity contests. That poll doesn't take into account a DJ's technical skills, nor the impact they have had on the EDM scene. All it's really saying is, that the brand of music Tiesto spins has crossed over and more people appreciate it. That's fine...and that's true as well. Take an average person off the streets and play Tiesto's set for them, chances are, they'll enjoy it. It's fairly generic, and easy to groove to. That hardly makes him #1 in my opinion though. |
Actually i think it is just that who makes him nr 1. He plays music who most people like, and he has shows that most people like. Most popular == Nr 1 Dj. I don't think tiesto is the nr one dj, although i think he is really good, and i understand that he is nr 1. But what you and I think really doesn't matter, it is what most people think that matter. It just doesn't make any sense to look at all the other skills, as long as people love him he is nr 1. take an election as an example, the president is the nr one, the one who get most votes, not the one who has the proven best talking skills, smartest, best negotioater etc. Of course all those play a part in what people votes, as does it in tiestos case. There is a ing reason he is nr one, may it not be he his mixing skills, but perhaps that is not what people apprichiate most with a dj! |
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| DigiNut |
I say Tiesto spins cheese but I don't think I'm being elitist when I say it. I don't mean it in the negative, absurd, spitting-out-the-word-with-a-sour-look-on-my-face way. I'm well aware that Ferry, Armin, PvD, and a multitude of other trance *and* house DJs push that exact same style of music. When I played in bands the conductors would often refer to some music as schlock or schmaltz, without any real disrespect - they didn't necessarily mean that it sucked, otherwise they wouldn't have had us play it all. They just meant what was undeniably true - that it was simplistic, formulaic, easy-on-the-ears crowd-pleasing popular music designed to keep the crowd awake long enough for us to play the pieces we were more "proud" of having mastered.
The fact is, it IS cheese - it is most certainly the EDM equivalent of band schmaltz. Tiesto puts out crowd pleasers. Elitists are not the people who label it as cheese but the ones who consider the label to mean it is therefore horrible beyond belief. The word "cheese" can be used just as innocently as the word "gay" - just like there is cheese trance there is also gay house, which I happen to listen to a lot of when I'm chilling out at home. There's nothing *intrinsically* wrong with it, it's just a matter of opinion.
It's a compound equation with Tiesto, though. It's not just cheese but also sloppy mixing, high DJ fees, CDs and DVDs carelessly pieced together without any real thought. When I think of Tiesto now I think of mediocre high-school bands that take all the most popular tunes and butcher them on stage, or at most, play them without any feeling or coordination whatsoever. And the problem in large part lies with Tiesto's hero-worshipping fans who refuse to admit under any circumstances that he's gone overboard with his arrogance. Tiesto is God, he can do no wrong, he truly is #1 - well golly gee willickers, is it really so hard to believe that ANYONE who gets showered with that kind of undeserved praise is going to let it go to their heads eventually? Tiesto could take a steaming dump on the decks and his fans would still be pumping their fists and calling it a stroke of creative genius.
I suppose Tiesto may currently be #1 in popularity which is obviously the reason they want him at the olympic opening ceremonies, but lest we "non-conformists" at tranceaddict forget that N'Sync and the Backstreet Boys were also once "#1", and they got there by doing the exact same thing as Tiesto - pandering. How can we honestly differentiate between Tiesto's performances and what we typically call "pop music?" Isn't that just an acronym for popular music? Isn't that what Tiesto is giving us? Popularity is fleeting and definitely not a reflection of an artist's contribution to music in general or even to a particular genre. Popularity is just that - popularity.
And those who think that no other DJ has ever attained the same level of popularity as Tiesto are clearly forgetting their history. Tony de Vit used to be consistently booked what - 5, even 6 or 7 nights a week at the hottest clubs in Europe and North America? Norman Cook's "Rockafella skank" was being played 10 times a day on every radio station for a while. ATB and Alice Deejay made their names huge by appealing to both the trance and mainstream crowds, and I can't even count the number of Euro artists who I still hear songs from despite the fact that they were made over 10 or 20 years ago (2 Unlimited, Technotronic, Snap, and Culture Beat to name just a handful).
Tiesto may be the only RECENT TRANCE DJ to attain that level of popularity, but that really only works if we define "recent" as 2000 or later and Trance as the subgenre of trance that came into existence around '99 - because if we go any further back we have Paul Oakenfold, who was traipsing from one party city to another in the very late '90s putting out one world-famous Essential Mix after another. Even now I'd have to say that Sasha is very close to Tiesto in popularity, with the primary difference that fewer people actually recognize Sasha's mixes or tracks despite hearing them all the time.
I don't know how you're measuring popularity but the only notable difference I see between Tiesto and any of the other artists is that Tiesto is more commercially popular, with big record labels and multinational corporations like Coke. I don't think he has more fans worldwide, despite what the meaningless DJ Mag poll says.
So tell me, what is the yardstick you're using to measure "popularity?" I'd like to hear this.
Tiesto. The more I hear about what he's doing the more I hate his guts. It makes me very sad listening to Magik VI or his set at Dutch Dimension and thinking about the direction he took off in with his popularity. He's a conceited money whore, like Wayne Gretzky and Barbara Streisand. |
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| starsearcher |
Okay I didn't read the whole thing cause it's just too damn long, and I dont' have a problem with you thinking that he's cheese, that's your opinion...i have a problem though with statements like these...
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
It's a compound equation with Tiesto, though. It's not just cheese but also sloppy mixing, high DJ fees, CDs and DVDs carelessly pieced together without any real thought. When I think of Tiesto now I think of mediocre high-school bands that take all the most popular tunes and butcher them on stage, or at most, play them without any feeling or coordination whatsoever. And the problem in large part lies with Tiesto's hero-worshipping fans who refuse to admit under any circumstances that he's gone overboard with his arrogance. Tiesto is God, he can do no wrong, he truly is #1 - well golly gee willickers, is it really so hard to believe that ANYONE who gets showered with that kind of undeserved praise is going to let it go to their heads eventually? Tiesto could take a steaming dump on the decks and his fans would still be pumping their fists and calling it a stroke of creative genius. |
His DVDs are VERY well done, specifically TIC...what exactly was wrong with it in your opinion?
Playing tunes without any feeling? Have you seen Digweed spin? Where's the feeling? He looks like a dead puppet behind the decks. Tiesto is usually the most energized guy (except last gig) and he's a true showman that knows how to energize the crowd!
Oakenfold once charged over a 100K for gigs because he said he's got the following of a rock star why shouldn't he get paid the same? So what's wrong with the high fees? If he can pull it off then by all means go for it!
When Tiesto screws up I don't have any problem admitting it but for me Tiesto is still god...and if he takes a crap on stage...well that's just stupid :rolleyes: |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Okay I didn't read the whole thing cause it's just too damn long, and I dont' have a problem with you thinking that he's cheese, that's your opinion...i have a problem though with statements like these... |
WTF, you don't even bother to read the whole thing but you feel compelled to throw in your two cents anyway? That just clearly shows that you're being stubborn and not listening to what anyone else has to say.
| quote: | | His DVDs are VERY well done, specifically TIC...what exactly was wrong with it in your opinion? |
I could never put it quite as well as Ishkur did: http://www.ishkur.com/reviews/tiestoinconcert.php
I can't identify anything relevant in the rest of the post - I don't think Digweed's an exciting DJ which is why he is nowhere near as popular - I don't have a lot of respect for Oakenfold now either - and Tiesto being a showman and energizing the crowd? Hahahahaha, okay right... Danny Tenaglia and the Scumfrog are showmen, Tiesto can suck my left nut if he think he's an inspiration to the dancefloor. |
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| starsearcher |
Okay so a guy who wrote this just happends to be another tiesto hater...WOW big find...
And all i need to prove it is the stupid comments under the pictures...
"Remove the stage and you can fit 5000 people more" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
"No he's not" for what it says on the cover of the DVD...please :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Probabbly another raver who is sad that the popularity of dance music is rising and moving out to the main stream...
Another funny quote from your source..."The performance in a nutshell: a DJ plays music and people dance." :stongue: :haha: No sherlock...youre a genious...come on have you even watched the DVD? |
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| Durafei |
| quote: | | And those who think that no other DJ has ever attained the same level of popularity as Tiesto are clearly forgetting their history. Tony de Vit used to be consistently booked what - 5, even 6 or 7 nights a week at the hottest clubs in Europe and North America? Norman Cook's "Rockafella skank" was being played 10 times a day on every radio station for a while. ATB and Alice Deejay made their names huge by appealing to both the trance and mainstream crowds, and I can't even count the number of Euro artists who I still hear songs from despite the fact that they were made over 10 or 20 years ago (2 Unlimited, Technotronic, Snap, and Culture Beat to name just a handful). |
I'm not sure about Tony de Vit, but I would assume he never achieved the same level of popularity as Tiesto.. After all, Tony de Vit never performed a concert in front of 25,000 people which was sold out 2 weeks in advance(just for reference, a few weeks later Paul McCartney played in the same venue, his concert wasn't sold out. I'm not comparing Tiesto to McCartney here, I'm just showing how popular Tiesto really is). Neither was Tony de Vit invited to open at an olympic event.
As far as Norman Cook, Alice Deejay and ATB go... They did not achieve their popularity through DJing. So please don't compare them to Tiesto. And neither did 2 Unlimited, Technotronic, Snap or whatever else.
All other DJs you have mentioned.. Yes, they were popular. But only among people who listened to Trance and were interested in the "scene". Tiesto is popular outside the scene now. Many of my friends who don't normally listen to Trance, have bought Tiesto's CDs and you know what.. they liked them !
| quote: | | I don't think he has more fans worldwide, despite what the meaningless DJ Mag poll says. |
Why would you think that ?? Do you base your opinion on some observation? Or stricktly on the fact that YOU don't like Tiesto ?
DJ Mag while probably not 100% accurate, it is still a fairly good indication. As an example to confirm this: Tiesto, #1 DJ according to DJ Mag, played at Guvernment on a thursday night. The club was overpacked, and apparently they sent 1000 people home. Do you really think another DJ from that top 100 could've have done that ?? BTW - Paul van Dyk #2 DJ played at Guv 2 weeks later - Guv was a lot emptier. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Okay so a guy who wrote this just happends to be another tiesto hater...WOW big find...
And all i need to prove it is the stupid comments under the pictures...
"Remove the stage and you can fit 500 people more" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
"No he's not" for what it says on the cover of the DVD...please :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Probabbly another raver who is sad that the popularity of dance music is rising and moving out to the main stream...
Another funny quote from your source..."The performance in a nutshell: a DJ plays music and people dance." :stongue: :haha: No sherlock...youre a genious...come on have you even watched the DVD? |
Alright, I'm sorry but after reading that I'm going to have to go out on a limb and say you're a complete dumbass. Not everybody agrees with Ishkur but nobody will deny that he has many incredibly well-thought-out and intelligent opinions to offer. Your complete disrespect, your inability to actually make an argument with regard to any part of his review and instead just labelling him as a "Tiesto hater", and the fact that you can't spell the word "genius" really killed your whole position right then and there.
| quote: | Originally posted by Durafei
I'm not sure about Tony de Vit, but I would assume he never achieved the same level of popularity as Tiesto.. After all, Tony de Vit never performed a concert in front of 25,000 people which was sold out 2 weeks in advance(just for reference, a few weeks later Paul McCartney played in the same venue, his concert wasn't sold out. I'm not comparing Tiesto to McCartney here, I'm just showing how popular Tiesto really is). Neither was Tony de Vit invited to open at an olympic event. |
So then you basically admit it - you're basing your measure of popularity on commercialism. Hey, did it ever occur to you that maybe these other DJs just didn't want to do a ty degrading concert in front of 25,000 people or play at the olympics? Do you honestly think that they just asked Tiesto to do it out of the blue, or are you open to the *slight* possibility that his PR machine had something to do with it?
| quote: | | As far as Norman Cook, Alice Deejay and ATB go... They did not achieve their popularity through DJing. So please don't compare them to Tiesto. And neither did 2 Unlimited, Technotronic, Snap or whatever else. |
Would you please explain to me how this comparison is not valid? , Tiesto is hardly a DJ anymore either, he doesn't DO any DJing! If you need proof of that just watch his DVD! Besides, HOW does it make any difference precisely what the artists do? They are musical artists, first and foremost, and incidentally, Norman Cook DEFINITELY is and was a DJ!
| quote: | | All other DJs you have mentioned.. Yes, they were popular. But only among people who listened to Trance and were interested in the "scene". Tiesto is popular outside the scene now. Many of my friends who don't normally listen to Trance, have bought Tiesto's CDs and you know what.. they liked them ! |
WOW! I could same the same thing about Airdrawndagger! I could say the same thing about a vast array of House music CDs by Ben Watt and Sandy Rivera! I could say the same thing about Ferry Corsten and Armin van Buuren and Robert Miles and for 's sake, I could say it about GARY D. Does that prove ANYTHING!?
Yes, Tiesto's music has commercial appeal now, just like Scooter and DJ Sammy. The trouble is that it has VERY LITTLE EDM APPEAL to accompany it.
Honestly I'm surprised at you Iliya. You're trying to put Tiesto on a pedestal here simply by eliminating all competition on the basis of some silly technicality. All of the other artists I've mentioned are perfectly valid comparisons so don't tell me to "please don't compare" them. |
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| TheVrk |
wow, i cant believe how pissed off ppl can get over music. to me, trance is all about positivity and good things.
i dont care what other ppl think of my opinion, or if they think i'm crazy for following armin the way i do, the point is, the music, TRANCE music above all, put me in a good mood, without any worries....
having said that, DigiNut, dood, take it easy. ur soooo pissed at the fact that tiesto makes all this cash that ur willing to write us an essay about it.
u may be rite, he mite be too popular, but he IS the MOST popular. accept it man, dont in lose ur head over it like u've showed us already.
he's not the most skilled, true, but he is undeniably the MOST popular.
GET OVER IT:)
lastly, to compare him with 'n sync or the backstreet boys is a total insult and completely retarded.
these are only MY OPINIONS, so please lay off.... |
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| Durafei |
| quote: | | When I think of Tiesto now I think of mediocre high-school bands that take all the most popular tunes and butcher them on stage, or at most, play them without any feeling or coordination whatsoever |
Have you heard any recent Tiesto's sets ??
At least 30% of tracks he plays in his sets now are HIS OWN productions. And I wouldn't call them "most popular". Please listen to his sets before posting.
Here is his typical tracklist now:
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01. Tiesto - Forever Today
02. Katana - In Silence (Txitxarro Remix)
03. Nickelson - Yin (Solid Globe Remix)
04. Lightscape - Inner Warmth
05. BT - Force Of Gravity (Tiesto Remix)
06. Tiesto - A Tear In The Open
07. Tilt - The World Doesnt Know
08. Filterheadz - Yimanya
09. Mojado - Seeorita
10. Riva - Run Away
11. Tiesto - Obsession 4PM
12. Tiesto - Walking On Clouds
13. Tiesto - Just Be
14. Stephen J Kroos - Phantazmz
15. 8 Wonders - The Morning After (The Thrillseekers Remix)
16. Mark Norman - Rush
17. Tiesto, BT - Love Comes Again (Mark Norman Remix)
18. ATN - Miss A Day
19. Moonrush - Risky Business (Arc In The Sky vs Atlantis Remix)
20. Tiesto - Nyana
21. Mojado, Mr. Sam - El Toro
22. Mojado, Mr. Sam - Naranja (Dimitri Andreas Vision)
23. Evanescence - Hello (Gabriel & Dresden Remix)
24. Estuera - Unknown Title
25. Push - Journey Of Life
26. Tiesto - Sweet Misery
27. Tiesto - Traffic (Montanas 12 Inch Edit)
28. Benny Benassi - Love is gonna save us
29. Katana - Tribal Shock
30. ID
31. Cosmic Gate - Ultra Curve
32. ID
33. Tiesto - Theme From Norefjell 2004
34. Underworld - Born Slippy (Paul Oakenfold Remix)
35. Tiesto - Adagio For Strings
36. Saltwater - The Legacy (Alphazone Mix)
37. Tiesto - Forever Today
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PLEASE, PLEASE find me super popular tracks here?? Except possibly Naranja which is played by EVERY SINGLE DJ out there !
If anything, Tiesto has the ability to pick up unknown tracks, play them and whop-di-doo - 2 months after they are big hits played by virtually every big DJ. Listen to his HMH Revolution set from October. A bunch of tracks there have been very new and unknown when he played them - now they are all over everyone's tracklists.
Honestly, I don't understand how you post this BS without ever listening to Tiesto's recent sets.
EDIT: Naranja is signed to Black Hole label. So Tiesto actually started spinning it BEFORE anybody else did. Speaking of having good taste |
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| starsearcher |
Just to mention another thing...
I never claimed Tiesto has the most skills, or is even the most skilled DJ out there...BUT he is my favourite because of a number of different reasons. Close by and right behind him are Ferry, Armin, and PVD.
I've always said that Ferry is by far the nicest guy out there and I never tried to say that Tiesto is the nicest...he was nice to me on a number of occasions and I've never had a bad experience with him, but I know some people that have...regardless he is only human he can't be in a great mood 100% of the time.
Like I already said if you don't like his music then it's fine, I really don't care...I don't like some other DJ perhaps but I won't go out attacking him/her because of that, saying that what he/she does is and his fans are stupid dumbasses :rolleyes:
In addition to Durafei's comment...his entire pink pop set was his own tracks not even one track of any other artist. |
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| Durafei |
Aaron.. allright.. Let's make a bet.
Come to HMV in downtown yonge st.. And ask them:
1) How many Tiesto CDs did you sell this year?
2) Then ask them: How many Ferry Corsten CDs did you sell this year?
3) Then ask them: How many Paul van Dyk CDs did you sell this year? 4) Then ask them: How many Paul Oakenfold CDs did you sell this year?
.. Repeat the question for any other DJ (Yes, DJ.. Not 2 Unlimited, not Alice Deejay, not Fatboy Slim. DJ !)
I'm willing to bet $50 that Tiesto sold more CDs this year than any other DJ you can think of.
What does this indicate ?? That Tiesto is the most popular DJ right now. Case closed ! |
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| dartrance |
What i find amusing is the fact that digimon had the time to post that. Lets face the facts here, this is the biggest acomplishment for a dj and be happy for him.
If you look at his entire career i would say he has earned it, why not just try to be happy instead of turning this into the usual bitch fest. |
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