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Has anybody seen the new $20 bill? (pg. 11)
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Do you actually advocate monarchy's? They are the most discpicable systems on earth. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Iran once had a monarchy... now they have it worse. |
You just contradicted yourself. :stongue:
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Democracy is what is ideal. Now theological or monarchial systems which favour specific peoples. |
Iran is more democratic now than under the Shah. Again, another contradiction.
You also seem to have trouble differentiating between an ABSOLUTE monarchy (like Swaziland) and a CONSTITUTIONAL monarchy (like the Netherlands).
Actually, Canada is not a democracy. It's a constitutional monarchy that's been hijacked by the Fiberals. They rule the country like a one-party dictatorship.
We don't even have an elected Senate for God's sake! Some democracy.
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoCa
Look at Euro bills, we don't have the Belgian king's face on them... |
that's for an entirely different reason :rolleyes: |
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| Jayx1 |
yup..euros are multinational and as such do not have specific countries indicated on the money. The coins however all have different representitives on the back from each nation. And low and behold, the euro coins DO have belgian monarchy on them
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
She isnt OUR queen... we are not ruled by a monarchy. And all monarchy's should burn in hell.. there is no point for them to exist. Why should everyone work... and give a piece of the pie to a family who sits on their ass becuase of some fuedal system of rule that existed for centuries.... WHY?????????? |
The person on our bills is Queen ELizabeth, Queen of CANADA. It's actually a seperate monarchy. Get your facts straight!
| quote: | | How bout we put cave men on our money.. afterall they are part of our history. :rolleyes: |
not in Arabia
| quote: | | ALLAH AAAAAAAAAAAAKBAR!!!!!!!! By the way Shadowwolf..Rome is becoming islamified! |
I know it is. That's why we have to fight book. The goal of Islam is to conquer the world:
Looks like we got some of them bastards today though:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3712696.stm
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She has no value to our identity.. she is JUST A QUEEN!!! THATS IT!!!! |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrueToTheCrew
Its not like Hong Kong where England conqured and ruled it for some time. Hong Kong was already established and part of China i think.
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Hong Kong island, and the city of Hong Kong, was wholly British (created by the British entirely). The New Territories, on the other hand, were leased by Britain from China for 99 years. Actually in 1997 Britain had the legal right to hang onto Hong Kong island, but it would have split Hong Kong into two parts. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
it's comments like discojoe's that only spur further animosity between landed immigrants and that of multi-generation Canadians.
i understand that he's just being defensive at what Cyrus King was saying, but i know Cyrus too well and most of the comments he makes here are to be taken with a grain of salt. he's obviously trying to intentionally irritate certain people here and they continually show signs of being bothered by it by agreeing to reply to his seemingly hateful and unfounded comments.
i think we should be trying to find ways to help immigrants better integrate into this society rather than simply pointing a finger at immigration as a whole. why not encourage the development of immigrant communities in rural parts of Canada (especially that of the Maritimes) who are in need of skilled labour? instead many newcomers choose to settle toward urban areas already deeply saturated with large minority communities where immigrant youths are more likely to gravitate towards replicated ethnic violence, poverty, and crime that their parents may have sought to initially escape. why not find ways to promote educational reforms that seek to better inform immigrants of the culture norms of our society to which they may be more appreciative of? instead many simply expect that these desireable qualities should come about on their own without any intention of promoting it. reduction in immigration isn't the answer. Canada, if anything needs immigrants not just to help support its aging population, but to keep it competitive on a global level.
generalized statements like the one made by discojoe are not just potentially offensive, but undermine the hard work by many immigrants that legitimately seek to help improve their well being and the well being of this country.
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Immigration has been used by the Lieberals as a political tool. They let in as many people as possible (mostly in Toronto) so they can vote Lieberal. Neither the Lieberals nor the immigrants give a damn about what's best for the country. They are Canadian in name only. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| Islam will never dominate the world...not without a fight anyway. |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Islam will never dominate the world...not without a fight anyway. |
They out-breed us 5-1, they have no fear of death so they use suicide bombers, they convert people at the end of the sword, and the West has become a bunch of pussies.
I'd say the chance are pretty damn good that they will win. |
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| DigiNut |
I'm at a loss to place where I said anything even remotely racist. I made several comments about refugees, yes, but I also specifically stated in response to one of Emery's questions that the refugee problem has absolutely nothing to do with what countries they came from. But even if I had said that? Generalizing about a country is not the same as generalizing about a race, not that I make a habit of doing either.
The problem has little to do with the refugees themselves at all, the problem is with our refugee system.
Please refer me to any "racist" comments I made, here or anywhere. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
My finger's only pointed at the refugee system; immigration to Canada before that system existed was why this country was so strong during that time.
But okay, let's go with what you're saying - how would you propose this? I suggested in a different thread, several months ago, that we stop letting immigrants (especially refugees) choose wherever they want to live and limit the amount of time they're eligible for welfare (a few months maybe). The instant response to that was dozens of people saying "How dare you, that's a violation of their human rights!" (despite the fact that immigrants are not citizens and thus aren't covered by our bill of rights, and welfare is not a human right by anyone's standard).
So if we can't do that, how exactly would we go about "spreading out" the immigrants and getting them to integrate into society rather than shutting out society and forming their own sub-cultures? Surely no one here is naïve enough to believe that diplomacy and advertising alone are going to make it happen, we need a system for it.
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these people need to be given encouragement and incentive that they can lead a better life in other parts of the country and not merely within large urban centers. i can't even begin to imagine the kinds of difficulties a refugee would have trying to settle into another part of Canada. what types of services would they expect to receive in terms of helping them find work to establish themselves? what sorts of English language programs would they be able to obtain in order to gain the necessary skills to communicate and integrate within the existing community there? you can't just force someone to live someplace, atleast not in this country.
if you want to know how this is all going to be accomplished, don't look at me, ask immigration Canada .. that's their job
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
Neither the Lieberals nor the immigrants give a damn about what's best for the country. They are Canadian in name only. |
my parents were immigrants and they seem to give a damn
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
these people need to be given encouragement and incentive that they can lead a better life in other parts of the country and not merely within large urban centers. i can't even begin to imagine the kinds of difficulties a refugee would have trying to settle into another part of Canada. what types of services would they expect to receive in terms of helping them find work to establish themselves? what sorts of English language programs would they be able to obtain in order to gain the necessary skills to communicate and integrate within the existing community there? you can't just force someone to live someplace, atleast not in this country.
if you want to know how this is all going to be accomplished, don't look at me, ask immigration Canada .. that's their job
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There's something wrong with this, though. For hundreds of years, immigrants to Canada did not need these kinds of "services". What is so special about refugees that we need to provide for them in this way? Is there some reason they can't do what everyone else did - get a low-skill job that doesn't require much communication, use it to finance an education, and move up the ranks in society? Yes, okay, I wouldn't call this living the high life, but surely it's FAR better than what they had back home, otherwise they wouldn't have left in the first place!
I think the fact that we "can't force someone to live someplace" is precisely the problem. I'm not saying hire armed guards to make sure they stay in Saskatchewan - I'm saying tell them that they aren't getting any welfare if a Toronto address appears on their application (and don't tell me you can't discriminate based on location, insurance companies do this ALL the time), or that they have to pass a citizenship test in 2 years if they want to be eligible to work (or to receive any money from the government). There's nothing wrong with these restrictions - this country has a limited amount of resources it can apply to charity and people seem to forget that those resources come from us, the ones who work 9-5 and speak fluent English and spent at least 12 years in school.
The problem isn't that it's too hard for refugees/immigrants to survive outside urban centres... the problem is that it's TOO EASY for them to survive IN urban centres without doing any work! I can't even blame the immigrants for that - I mean, when you tell people that they can do jack with their lives and still be entitled to everything that an upstanding citizen has, they're *probably* going to take you up on that offer. Who would refuse, aside from the ultra-moral and the materialistic?
The other problem is that there's just so damn many of them ("225,000 immigrants + 37,000 refugees are projected") that it's impossible to keep track of them all! The only time the government can ever keep track of so many people is tax collection time. There also seems to be little differentiation between immigrants, who go through official channels and generally come here for the purpose of finding work and an education, and refugees, who come here specifically to escape their own society without any concrete plan as to how they intend to get along in ours. What's that saying again - when in Rome, do as the Romans do? You go to a foreign land, you learn the foreign culture, because THAT is the "right" thing to do.
Let's hear solutions that *don't* involve spending more taxpayer money, please. |
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