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Has anybody seen the new $20 bill? (pg. 9)
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| LoCa |
| quote: | Originally posted by discojoe
its our heritage, if you dont like it off. perfect example of how immigration is bad for a country |
What the ?! Talk about a generalization! That's the worst thing i've seen someone in here post in a long time. :wtf:
I can see both sides of the argument here, in a way i don't agree with the Queen's face being on the bill, even though she _is_ part of the cultural history. However, you don't need her face on a bill to remind you that Canada has/had strong ties to the United Kingdom.
Look at Euro bills, we don't have the Belgian king's face on them... we know our monarchy is part of our heritage and that's that.
I agree that her face should be replaced by something else, possibly pre-confederation figures (as Emery said). |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
My mother is Russian and Turkish and my dad is Persian
Iran once had a monarchy... now they have it worse. Democracy is what is ideal. Now theological or monarchial systems which favour specific peoples. |
I think you're a little confused...
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A constitutional monarchy is a form of government established under a constitutional system which acknowledges a hereditary or elected monarch as head of state. Modern constitutional monarchies usually implement the concept of trias politica, and have the monarch as the (symbolic) head of the executive branch .
Today, constitutional monarchy is almost always combined with representative democracy, and represents a compromise between theories of sovereignty which place sovereignty in the hands of the people, and those that see a role for tradition in the theory of government. Though the king or queen may be regarded as the government's symbolic head, it is the Prime Minister, whose power derives directly or indirectly from elections, who actually governs the country.
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
i don't necessarily agree with the fact that Canada should remove all British ties.. but i do agree that there are a lot more deserving figureheads out there which could be featured on the CDN $20 ..
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like who? |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
like who? |
a British head of state who was more directly involved with the establishment of Canada ..
hmm or maybe like Paul Martin or something ;)
btw. does anyone hav a .jpeg file of that Canadian $20 bill featuring an Indian Sikh guy wearing a turban .. ?
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| Jayx1 |
Paul Martin deserves to be in a mugshot :)
well the queen signed off on our constitution. Shes still relevant. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
She isnt OUR queen... we are not ruled by a monarchy. And all monarchy's should burn in hell.. there is no point for them to exist. Why should everyone work... and give a piece of the pie to a family who sits on their ass becuase of some fuedal system of rule that existed for centuries.... WHY?????????? |
In case you hadn't realized this by now (I really thought they taught this in grade 9 history), Canada is a constitutional monarchy, so yes, she IS "OUR" queen.
And Jeff explained most of this but you seem to equate monarchies with feudalism. Perhaps you should find out what a constitutional monarchy actually is - the principle is that the buck stops at the constitution, not the queen, and taxation of any form other than those meant to protect the basic civil rights of life and liberty (i.e. law enforcement and possibly national defense) are technically illegal.
If you're looking for feudalism, take a gander at the numerous dictatorships in the middle east. They operate on a similar principle, with the exception of being a little bit more oppressive and hostile than feudalism was.
Democracy is not ideal - constitutional republic is ideal. |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Paul Martin deserves to be in a mugshot :)
well the queen signed off on our constitution. Shes still relevant. |
bleh .. i still think that Victoria would hav been more fitting .. but that's juss me
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| TrueToTheCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
She isnt OUR queen... we are not ruled by a monarchy. And all monarchy's should burn in hell.. there is no point for them to exist. Why should everyone work... and give a piece of the pie to a family who sits on their ass becuase of some fuedal system of rule that existed for centuries.... WHY??????????
How bout we put cave men on our money.. afterall they are part of our history. :rolleyes:
You go back to where you came from
ALLAH AAAAAAAAAAAAKBAR!!!!!!!! By the way Shadowwolf..Rome is becoming islamified! Enjoy it
To mister light show man, jayx1.... i was giving smitty a taste of his own medicine.
I cannot beleive you guys advocate that ugly kunt who is worthless to this nation. She has no value to our identity.. she is JUST A QUEEN!!! THATS IT!!!!
After she dies.. lets all be happy when Prince Charles's face comes onto our money... god... you guys are so diluted |
Cyrus, I usually agree with your posts and enjoy reading them especially in the Political forum, but man. You are really giving some low blows here. Maybe your looking at it from a different approach, i dont know. Canada, was established as part of the Kingdom. It was a part of the UK just as much as ireland and scotland. What happened was that in the recent future, Canada asked England to allow it to be an independant country, where England refused. After many debates and threats from both sides, Canada and the monarchy agreed that Canada, would be an independant nation and would not have to pay taxes or take orders from ENgland. BUT, we remain under the common wealth as an independant country. What ever ties we have left are symbolic in order to preserve our nationality. Then you see a pure case of give a little, take a lot with our constitution and bill of rights drawn up in 1982. The queen probably never anticipated that would happen. If you know the history, you can read between the lines and see england wasnt happy.
Its not like Hong Kong where England conqured and ruled it for some time. Hong Kong was already established and part of China i think.
You wont hear me singing, God save the queen but i definately respect the roots of this country. DOes the monarchy have a place in today's modern world?? I dont know or care.
The queen is not a kunt. You should read up on her and what her role was during WWII where she earned the respect she deserves.
p.s. im not dilluted |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by discojoe
its our heritage, if you dont like it off. perfect example of how immigration is bad for a country |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoCa
What the ?! Talk about a generalization! That's the worst thing i've seen someone in here post in a long time. :wtf:
I can see both sides of the argument here, in a way i don't agree with the Queen's face being on the bill, even though she _is_ part of the cultural history. However, you don't need her face on a bill to remind you that Canada has/had strong ties to the United Kingdom.
Look at Euro bills, we don't have the Belgian king's face on them... we know our monarchy is part of our heritage and that's that.
I agree that her face should be replaced by something else, possibly pre-confederation figures (as Emery said). |
it's comments like discojoe's that only spur further animosity between landed immigrants and that of multi-generation Canadians.
i understand that he's just being defensive at what Cyrus King was saying, but i know Cyrus too well and most of the comments he makes here are to be taken with a grain of salt. he's obviously trying to intentionally irritate certain people here and they continually show signs of being bothered by it by agreeing to reply to his seemingly hateful and unfounded comments.
i think we should be trying to find ways to help immigrants better integrate into this society rather than simply pointing a finger at immigration as a whole. why not encourage the development of immigrant communities in rural parts of Canada (especially that of the Maritimes) who are in need of skilled labour? instead many newcomers choose to settle toward urban areas already deeply saturated with large minority communities where immigrant youths are more likely to gravitate towards replicated ethnic violence, poverty, and crime that their parents may have sought to initially escape. why not find ways to promote educational reforms that seek to better inform immigrants of the culture norms of our society to which they may be more appreciative of? instead many simply expect that these desireable qualities should come about on their own without any intention of promoting it. reduction in immigration isn't the answer. Canada, if anything needs immigrants not just to help support its aging population, but to keep it competitive on a global level.
generalized statements like the one made by discojoe are not just potentially offensive, but undermine the hard work by many immigrants that legitimately seek to help improve their well being and the well being of this country.
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| hardcore trancer |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
it's comments like discojoe's that only spur further animosity between landed immigrants and that of multi-generation Canadians.
i understand that he's just being defensive at what Cyrus King was saying, but i know Cyrus too well and most of the comments he makes here are to be taken with a grain of salt. he's obviously trying to intentionally irritate certain people here and they continually show signs of being bothered by it by agreeing to reply to his seemingly hateful and unfounded comments.
i think we should be trying to find ways to help immigrants better integrate into this society rather than simply pointing a finger at immigration as a whole. why not encourage the development of immigrant communities in rural parts of Canada (especially that of the Maritimes) who are in need of skilled labour? instead many newcomers choose to settle toward urban areas already deeply saturated with large minority communities where immigrant youths are more likely to gravitate towards replicated ethnic violence, poverty, and crime that their parents may have sought to initially escape. why not find ways to promote educational reforms that seek to better inform immigrants of the culture norms of our society to which they may be more appreciative of? instead many simply expect that these desireable qualities should come about on their own without any intention of promoting it. reduction in immigration isn't the answer. Canada, if anything needs immigrants not just to help support its aging population, but to keep it competitive on a global level.
generalized statements like the one made by discojoe are not just potentially offensive, but undermine the hard work by many immigrants that legitimately seek to help improve their well being and the well being of this country. |
Bravo to that post Emery,very meaningful,I hope ur post here helps some people to understand this issue better.:) |
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| Jayx1 |
| Sorry but Cyrus was much much more offensive than discojoe ever was. Whether he is just doing it to get a rise or not there is no excuse. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Bravo to that post Emery,very meaningful,I hope ur post here helps some people to understand this issue better.:) |
I think the real issue now is why is it OK to be racist against people of european heritage and not OK to racist against anyone else?
Not that I get offended by names like whitey and caker etc because i really dont care, they are just words. But if you call me that, dont get offended if i or others use terms like paki or n****r. Not that I ever would since I would never stoop to the same level.
Double standards suck...
the whole feminism issue is also a gross double standard that needs to be fixed. |
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