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Time to give up vinyl for CD! (pg. 5)
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| Freak |
| quote: | | Time to give up vinyl for CD! |
Bull!
Repost may many many times...and its ing boring now :rolleyes: |
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| dj tek |
| quote: | Originally posted by fridaypassion
selling out by using a compression method to store files? You need to get out more dude. I worked it out I've spend about 10 grand on records, I'll what the I like with them. |
well if you dont mind the sound quality, whatever rocks ya boat man.. but thats u. |
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| djbruuen |
Something that pisses me off, is do any of you even read the original post??? half of you are like, hell no, don't get rid of vinyl. where does he say get rid of vinyl??? he is suggesting expanding the different mediums music is printed on, so it can access more ppl. as simple as that!
my ideal would be a legal version of napster dedicated to EDM for 192kpbs for $1-2 per song. that would make life easy, and many ppl i think would by into that...consider the listeners to, not just the djs. |
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| djdimensions |
| i agree with u. but i listen to mp3 so i can buy the vinyl. Vinyl for me have much respect than cds. people can just burn cds and dj a gig and throw em away and do the same next week on and on. but djs should spin vinyl more than cds. IMO |
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| djdimensions |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
Something that pisses me off, is do any of you even read the original post??? half of you are like, hell no, don't get rid of vinyl. where does he say get rid of vinyl??? he is suggesting expanding the different mediums music is printed on, so it can access more ppl. as simple as that!
my ideal would be a legal version of napster dedicated to EDM for 192kpbs for $1-2 per song. that would make life easy, and many ppl i think would by into that...consider the listeners to, not just the djs. |
Yeah very good idea... people would get to songs faster and would know thats new and hot |
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| locutox |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj tek
well if you dont mind the sound quality, whatever rocks ya boat man.. but thats u. |
Eh? You trying to say vinyls have worse quality or do I misunderstand.
I would ing kill if they released more trance singles on CD (as long as it was atleast half as cheap as vinyls). I love owning music and have a stack of vinyls and cds. Around here it's hideously expensive to buy vinyls but I get them all the time since I want to support artists in anyway I can. Problem is the only dance available around here on cd single is .
Vinyls will always have their place though and there will always be some tracks I'd only ever want to get on vinyl since they just have so much presence. |
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| DJ Cinos |
Nothing beats CDs. The whole feel of it, laser sweeping across reflective, prismatic discs... it's just so cool. I remember when CDs were new... they're my generation, and I'd never switch to vinyl OR to mp3.
They're handy too. |
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| basd |
| quote: | Originally posted by djbruuen
Something that pisses me off, is do any of you even read the original post??? half of you are like, hell no, don't get rid of vinyl. where does he say get rid of vinyl??? |
Look at the topic title. According to my modest knowledge of the English language, to "give up" means the same as to "get rid of", as the popular expression goes. People not taking the effort to read the entire opening post would conclude from the title that this Airbase guy actually DOES propose the discarding of the vinyl medium.
When people actually do read the opening post, they should come to the conclusion that he does not advocate for the disappearance of vinyl. But, as you should know when you've been here long enough, some people just can't or won't read.
As far as my opinion on this goes, it would be all the better if releases were more widely available on CD, but that should not lead to the disappearance of vinyl. I love the medium, and I can identify completely with what [N]ûk|êû[Z] said about the feeling it gives to some people.
Although I hope I will not identify myself with him or his ideas too much, you really wouldn't want to see a picture of me with only a sock over my privates |
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| n0bben- |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Cinos
Nothing beats CDs. The whole feel of it, laser sweeping across reflective, prismatic discs... it's just so cool. I remember when CDs were new... they're my generation, and I'd never switch to vinyl OR to mp3.
They're handy too. |
pfffffffffff.. have u even tried vinyl? |
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| DJ Cinos |
| quote: | Originally posted by n0bben-
pfffffffffff.. have u even tried vinyl? |
Yes. And here's my experience in sound effects:
Boing. Clonga clonga. Swiiiizzzz. Screch screch screch. Fizzup.
No, seriously. I'm of the CD generation. |
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| eyeball_2003 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Gordy
Vinyl will never die..........
that is all |
god i hope your right.. not long had my decks now and have a nice collection of around 100 vinyl to go with them, if vinyl dies i will be pretty pissed to say the least..... |
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| Dave Piazza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Airbase
People in this business always complains that mp3s are ruining the business. Its not, right now mp3s are helping. Because with the use of vinyl as media for the music, and internet as the place to sell it, almost no additional marketing put in what so ever, trance labels and artists involved, would be totally gone a long time ago. If it wasnt for mp3, listeners wouldnt know of 95% of all the artists and tracks they know about now, and there are still a dedicated group of people that uses mp3 for prelistening new stuff, then buys the records they like.
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| quote: | Originally posted by Airbase
I dont know how labels promoted themselves back like 10 years ago, but it must have been better than nowadays, because they survived it. Without mp3s today, no one would know about anything going on. I mean, you dont see labels buying ads in papers, running radio commercials or tv commercials or anything at all. For a label today, promotion means giving away 50 copies to the biggest djs around, when 10, 5 or 0 of them actually play them, and even if they do, no one knows what a track they havent heard is. And also, sending out newsletters with info. |
I believe a medium that is easy to copy and distribute over the internet would not be beneficial to the artist or the label. It is foolish to believe that people would rather spend their limited money to buy a legal version of a file if they instead could download the same song for free but illegally. This is especially true for DJ’s;in an environment where playing the newest song becomes a competition it fosters this type of rationale ( I have no money but I need these songs to promote myself). Legal MP3 sales can not compete against illegal MP3 sharing. For every 1 MP3 legally bought there are 100,000 illegal MP3 used. The lose of profit for the artist and the label is staggering. I think if an effort was made to protect the distribution and copy protection of an MP3 than its role in commerce could be justified. Otherwise the role of the MP3 in a business model is doomed to fail for the label and the artist.
You also fail, in my opinion, to gauge the importance DJ's ,NOT the general public, play in dance music. The % of casual dance music listeners who purchase artist singles or albums is very small in comparison to the % of casual dance music listeners who purchase DJ’s mix cd/compilations/ ticket sales/ect. Also the % of sales revenue a dance music artists receives because of the DJ's is substantial larger than that received from the general public. These correlations can be explained because of the traditional role the DJ has played for dance music; the filter and marketer of the music to the public. I do not believe that dance music will be separate from the DJ. Thus the important role the DJ plays for dance music continues.
The price difference between both mediums is also not large enough to cause DJ's to switch over. DJ's will always pay a premium for vinyl. Its advantages have been discussed before numerous times.
The concept of vinyl and the record player are by nature objects which separate the public from the DJ. The DJ and the general public exist in two separate world with two different roles; the latter is to listen and be entertained whilst the former is to present and filter music.
I would be surprised to find enough dance music producer that can produced a cd filled with their own work that would benift from any flexibilty in the distribution process. Historically, dance music has always been known for the one-hit-wonders; not the mega producers ( i.e pop or rap or rock.) The ratio of mega producers to one-hit wonders does not favor a profitable business model . The few producers who can sell a full length CD are far and wide in comparison to the entire production landscape. Again I use revenue figured between DJ’s mix cds/ compilations vs. producer albums.
Dance music has always been marketed around the DJ not the public. The DJ’s are the ones who reach largest numbers of dance music listeners via clubs/radio/cds/ect. I would be hard pressed to believe that legal MP3 purchasing sites can provide the same exposure that a DJ can provide. Thus it became logical that a relationship exists first and foremost between DJ’s and producers. DJ’s demand vinyl and producers distribute it.
I view the world in two groups:
Group A : Very passionate dance music listeners that are not DJ’s
Group B : DJ’s
Group A will download as much stuff for free as possible. They view the dance music community and its artists as free entertainment. If they find a producer that has produced more than 3 favorable works they might buy his cd ( if it exists). . However, they fail to compensate the artists they found only one song to a liking ( which historically has been the case for dance music). Group A as a result is able to punish a talented artist because he/she has not produced enough singles to warrant them to buy their cd ( if it even exists). This group fosters and helps create illegal file sharing. For if it wasn’t for file sharing they could not exist.
Group B are the Dj’s. They reward the artists ( big or small) that have helped them create their profession. They listen to tracks but purchase each they use. They support each and every artist they like.
DJ’s that start out and/or have no job will prefer to spin MP3’s for it’s cheaper. These people are a very small % of the professional [those who make money from this] DJ population.
That all said :
I do hope that a new file system is created that will prevent illegal distribution and copying and allow music to travel more freely for those have a honest and admirable intentions for its use. |
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