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The #1 DJ In the World (pg. 4)
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by muckluck
Oh okay...it's just another one of those old threads, yet it's different from 99% of all other threads of its kind around here. I understand PERFECTLY.
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The fact that Ishkur actually put some effort into this thread and made his point clear doesn't mean that we have to start over-analyzing the whole concept of "best DJ" over again. Discussing Z-Trip, whether he deserves to be called "best DJ in the world" and who you think is better will do plenty, just like any other "best DJ in the world"-thread around here. |
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| JakeC |
the ony way to find the best dj in the world is to first found out how to vote for the best dj in the world.
The #1 DJ Must have great flow and track selection/crowd reading abilities.
The #1 DJ may not have to be the most technical(yes its true, if you go to a club just to listen out for everyone minor mistake in a dj's set then you are a sad bastard).
but then what describes technical skill?
Scratching, Use of fx samplers?
but then when does technical skill become overuse?
after those are sorted, then you will needa a majority vote using the criteria above.
but then the voters are split into two "sections". Those that Vote for the tunes (mainly clubbers and the voters that are djs) and technical skill which is those that are in the know (i.e djs and bigwigs who can comment on technical skill).
now at the mo the poll that fits that most IS the DJmag poll, as you have the DJs reading the specialist mag who will vote then you have the clubbers reading it for the club reviews etc.
*my go at an intellectual post :toothless* |
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| Pio |
Z-Trip's a great DJ. I've seen him live twice and both times were lots of fun because his sets were varied but coherent, and his technical skills are very impressive.
However, he's far from being my favorite DJ because he basically plays pop music. All in good taste and fun, but still mundane pop, nothing trascendental or spiritually esoteric like a marathonic set from one of the best house or trance DJs (when they actually put their heart to it.)
I have no doubt that Z-Trip has better technical skills than say...PvD, Sasha, or Tiësto, but from a musical standpoint I don't think he comes even close. These other DJs I mentioned have the sole talent matched by few (not Oakie, not Ferry, not any of you bedroom DJs that brag about having better beatmatching skills than Tijs) of creating and developing program music storylines along the evolved tradition of the musical metaphysics of late 19th century German Romantic composers. The way they formulate harmonic and rhythmic contrasts evoke in my mind the unmatched symphonic grandiosity of Brahms, Bruckner and Mahler.
Of course, the context of 21st dance music adds a whole different twist to their performance...but the central-European essence for a wide and open-minded audience is much more present here than in the elitist experimental/academic movements of contemporary art music.
Then again, this is my very own subjective appreciation of relative art ideals from a classical musicology perspective. You can't really quantify or objectify art, just share opinions about your own preferences. |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
Z-Trip's a great DJ. I've seen him live twice and both times were lots of fun because his sets were varied but coherent, and his technical skills are very impressive.
However, he's far from being my favorite DJ because he basically plays pop music. All in good taste and fun, but still mundane pop, nothing trascendental or spiritually esoteric like a marathonic set from one of the best house or trance DJs (when they actually put their heart to it.)
I have no doubt that Z-Trip has better technical skills than say...PvD, Sasha, or Tiësto, but from a musical standpoint I don't think he comes even close. These other DJs I mentioned have the sole talent matched by few (not Oakie, not Ferry, not any of you bedroom DJs that brag about having better beatmatching skills than Tijs) of creating and developing program music storylines along the evolved tradition of the musical metaphysics of late 19th century German Romantic composers. The way they formulate harmonic and rhythmic contrasts evoke in my mind the unmatched symphonic grandiosity of Brahms, Bruckner and Mahler.
Of course, the context of 21st dance music adds a whole different twist to their performance...but the central-European essence for a wide and open-minded audience is much more present here than in the elitist experimental/academic movements of contemporary art music.
Then again, this is my very own subjective appreciation of relative art ideals from a classical musicology perspective. You can't really quantify or objectify art, just share opinions about your own preferences. |
I agree with you :D*
because i dont have a cluw what you said :toothless |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
clever set.. i would like to hear how he would preform in a club environment.. even though the set is called uneasy listening..
i would hope he would play with more flow in a club environment
a good dj will keep me going on the floor for hours and know how to progress his set
lets see him play 21 hours like morales or tenaglia.. then w'ell talk about best dj in the world
it takes alot of skill.. but also you have to know how to move a crowd
this is why tiesto is # 1 |
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| DiMethGuy |
I thought Ishkur was in a car accident, and died?
hrmm.. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pio
I have no doubt that Z-Trip has better technical skills than say...PvD, Sasha, or Tiësto, but from a musical standpoint I don't think he comes even close. These other DJs I mentioned have the sole talent matched by few (not Oakie, not Ferry, not any of you bedroom DJs that brag about having better beatmatching skills than Tijs) of creating and developing program music storylines along the evolved tradition of the musical metaphysics of late 19th century German Romantic composers. The way they formulate harmonic and rhythmic contrasts evoke in my mind the unmatched symphonic grandiosity of Brahms, Bruckner and Mahler.
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That is some impressive shoveling. They are playing records back-to-back. In common parlance, that is what we call being a "human stereo". They aren't anymore attuned to weaving a "complicated, wagnerian operatic story" than you are noticing it beyong "OMG I LOVE THIS TRACK" while hopped up on goofballs.
Invite Armin, Tiesto and PvD to the same party. Hell, ask Oakenfold to come along for good measure. Drape a shower curtain around the decks. Try to guess who is playing when. I bet you can't.
And I would hardly think a marathon set is of any difficulty when the tracks are 9 minutes long. I wouldn't call that putting your heart into it. It's just rote repetition. At least Z-trip is changing records every few minutes, playing battle tools, cutting up sections, and making it all sound cohesive.....putting his heart into it. What does Tiesto do inbetween mixes, take a smoke break?
You ask any REAL musician what they think of trance, they'd probably tell you it's some of the most basic, unoriginal stuff they've ever heard. It if were literature it'd be the equivalent of a Grade 1 primer: "See Dick walk. Walk the dog. Walk, Dick, Walk." |
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| 3xx3r7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by muckluck
1. Do you even know what elitism means?
2. Bias maybe, but the difference is you're just doing it out of ignorant spite, while he has a reason. |
1. Yes I know what it is. In this case, it is considering one's taste of music as superior. After reading that guide, many individuals, especially the ones who are new to EDM, look down on other genres of electronic music, while considering some genres as superior. I don't think you know what elitism is, son.
2. Ignorant spite. That made me laugh. Unlike you, who probably listens to specific genres, I listen to everything and like certain productions almost from every genre. He has a reason? To make people hate most of the electronic music produced today? Very aiming reason, I would say.
If you consider his guide even remotely credible, then I must say that I am finished talking to you. |
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| 3xx3r7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Invite Armin, Tiesto and PvD to the same party. Hell, ask Oakenfold to come along for good measure. Drape a shower curtain around the decks. Try to guess who is playing when. I bet you can't.
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Wrong. I bet I can.
Just shows how ignorant you are. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
You ask any REAL musician what they think of trance, they'd probably tell you it's some of the most basic, unoriginal stuff they've ever heard. It if were literature it'd be the equivalent of a Grade 1 primer: "See Dick walk. Walk the dog. Walk, Dick, Walk." |
As opposed to the " it, let's loop it some more" Daft Punk you hold so dear? |
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