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The #1 DJ In the World (pg. 7)
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| Pio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
(pssst...a secret: they aren't aware of what they are doing. They're just playing music. More prosaically, they are playing music their labels and the magazines have told them to play as favours to others who have hyped up their music in return. It's a money thing, not an artistic or a musical thing) |
That's true some of the time, but in most cases I care about that's a vast generalization that can be refuted easily. For example, Tiësto used to play Plastikman-Spastik a couple of years ago and would mix it with some hands-in-the-air Dutch anthem. I doubt Richie Hawtin has ever hyped Tiësto's music, much less signed a track with Black Hole. ;)
| quote: | The real test, then: Give all these DJs the same 20 records. Figure out who's belongs to who when they give the mixes back.
I should start a contest or something. |
I think you should. I haven't really heard everything they've ever done (haven't really heard much in the past year), but I've been listening to their sets for about 7 years now so the most minimal subtlety will give them away pretty easily. But their differences are pretty blatant to a trained ear: their beatmatching technique and track placement will tell them apart instantly.
Ishkur, I've been a fan of your work for years. I agree with a lot of what you stand for (Daft Punk is my favorite edm band ever), and I understand where you're coming from with your criticism of trance.(I even coined the term McProg after your very own McTrance, haha). I don't listen to trance anymore really, but I do believe that these guys I mention have a certain artistic talent that deserves recognition, even if their artistic product is not meant for everyone. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
I've been asking you people that for years. The gloves are off now. I'm fighting for what I believe in. |
You believe in Daft Punk. You hold their music dear. You jokingly threatened to ban me from your forum as I expressed a dislike to them. You post their leaked material on your homepage so people can listen to it. Now tell me Daft Punk's music is any more musically complex than any trance record. French house is a ing joke, musically, and everything that duo spawned in the past eight years has been monotonous, repetitive house that plagues my radio and tars my musical tastes as everyone I know assumes that because I listen to dance music I have a love for all things looped and inane.
Perhaps you'll reply this time Kent, instead of neatly dodging the point. |
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| Ishkur |
Couple things:
1) Yeah, that was a joke. I'd never really ban anyone. Sheesh, how pedantic do you really think I am?
2) Daft Punk isn't trying to be musically complex. They aren't trying to be highly-evolved. They aren't trying to be some sophisticated, artistic, complicated and deep form of music on parallel with Brahms or Handel. They're a ing house act who pioneered the "minimal, filtered" beat and are praised for it. I love them for that stupid fact.
I like music that doesn't lie to itself. Music that recognizes what it is and doesn't try to be something it's not. Daft Punk aren't taking you on a "journey". They aren't trying to make you smarter or more educated or more enlightened. It's just silly, stupid music.
But it's only in trance where I encounter this sentiment. Only trance compares itself with the greatest composers and most advanced musical theories of all time. Only trance sees itself as the gateway into a forward-thinking revolution in music. Only trance cites these higher endeavour as evidence of enlightenment. Only trance crackers talk incessantly about "converting", like it's some rabid religion hellbent on manifest destiny. Only trance crackers vote in these stupid "top DJ" magazine and online polls, because it helps re-assert their belief that their music is the best ever (techno, house, jungle, IDM, etc...don't care. They mostly keep to themselves). Only trance considers itself more evolved and more complex than any other form of music that's ever existed--and if people can't see that, then they must be sub-human. Trance seriously has this chip on its shoulder these days, and you know what? It's all ing bull. You people need to get over yourselves. You constantly berate others for not appreciating your music, when you never give them the same common courtousy. You continuously insist that your music is the best, and there is no music that could possibly be more pure, more real, more authentic, more complicated or more deep than it. And then you have the audacity to compare trance with the legends of classical music? Just look at Pio's comments. God, that is simultaneously ridiculous and hilarious. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, Pio, but.....man, just listen to yourself.
This is what everybody hates. Trance is now the arrogant, conceited, big bully of the electronic music playground who thinks he can do no wrong, everybody should worship him, and his never smells. If this scene were geo-politics, Trance would be America. The big, boisterous, loud, obnoxious knocker.
Get over yourself, trance. You're nothing but a 4/4 pulse drum with a 4-key melody and a minor bass chord progression in an aeolian scale. That's ing play-dough to classical music. You're not that intelligent. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
But it's only in trance where I encounter this sentiment. Only trance compares itself with the greatest composers and most advanced musical theories of all time. Only trance cites higher endeavours. Only trance considers itself more evolved and more complex than any other form of music that's ever existed--and if people can't see that, then they must be sub-human. Trance seriously has this chip on its shoulder these days, and you know it? It's all ing bull. You people need to get over yourselves. You constantly berate others for not appreciating your music, when you never give them the same common courtousy.
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:conf: Who compairs trance to the greatest composers? I don't think i have seen a producer say that its more complex then any other version of edm, not even talking about music in general.
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people that listen to Pop, Rock, and Rap all think their music is the most advanced best music ever.
| quote: | This is what everybody hates. Trance is now the arrogant, conceited, big bully of the electronic music playground who thinks he can do no wrong, everybody should worship him, and his never smells. If this scene were geo-politics, Trance would be America. The big, boisterous, loud, obnoxious knocker.
Get over yourself, trance. You're nothing but a 4/4 pulse drum with a 4-key melody and a minor bass chord progression in an aeolian scale. That's ing play-dough to classical music. You're not that intelligent. |
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| twisted |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Couple things:
1) Yeah, that was a joke. I'd never really ban anyone. Sheesh, how pedantic do you really think I am?
2) Daft Punk isn't trying to be musically complex. They aren't trying to be highly-evolved. They aren't trying to be some sophisticated, artistic, complicated and deep form of music on parallel with Brahms or Handel. They're a ing house act who pioneered the "minimal, filtered" beat and are praised for it. I love them for that stupid fact.
I like music that doesn't lie to itself. Music that recognizes what it is and doesn't try to be something it's not. Daft Punk aren't taking you on a "journey". They aren't trying to make you smarter or more educated or more enlightened. It's just silly, stupid music.
But it's only in trance where I encounter this sentiment. Only trance compares itself with the greatest composers and most advanced musical theories of all time. Only trance sees itself as the gateway into a forward-thinking revolution in music. Only trance cites these higher endeavour as evidence of enlightenment. Only trance crackers talk incessantly about "converting", like it's some rabid religion hellbent on manifest destiny. Only trance considers itself more evolved and more complex than any other form of music that's ever existed--and if people can't see that, then they must be sub-human. Trance seriously has this chip on its shoulder these days, and you know what? It's all ing bull. You people need to get over yourselves. You constantly berate others for not appreciating your music, when you never give them the same common courtousy. You continuously insist that your music is the best, and there is no music that could possibly be more pure, more real, more authentic, more complicated or more deep than it. And then you have the audacity to compare trance with the legends of classical music? Just look at Pio's comments. God, that is simultaneously ridiculous and hilarious. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, Pio, but.....man, just listen to yourself.
This is what everybody hates. Trance is now the arrogant, conceited, big bully of the electronic music playground who thinks he can do no wrong, everybody should worship him, and his never smells. If this scene were geo-politics, Trance would be America. The big, boisterous, loud, obnoxious knocker.
Get over yourself, trance. You're nothing but a 4/4 pulse drum with a 4-key melody and a minor bass chord progression in an aeolian scale. That's ing play-dough to classical music. You're not that intelligent. |
no one should even think to counter that disquisition...
i couldnt agree anymore, it just rings so true
for the opposition, stop being so goddamn naive, and uh...what ishkur said. its going to be hard to prove your point, because basicly there isnt anything you can use in your defense. you can attack him personally, but what he just posted, is just to hard to deny. just accept it. you can still listen to your music, but stop defending the false and erroneous concept that trance doesnt have anything to do with the words ishkur posted.
ps. excuse me if my post makes little sense, im feeling extremely below-par today.. |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
:conf: Who compairs trance to the greatest composers? |
You people do. In this very thread, in fact.
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
I don't think i have seen a producer |
"If Mozart were alive today, he'd probably be making trance."
Infamous quote, I can't remember if it's attributed to Armin or Tiesto though. One of the two. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
You people do. In this very thread, in fact.
"If Mozart were alive today, he'd probably be making trance."
Infamous quote, I can't remember if it's attributed to Armin or Tiesto though. One of the two. |
lol that quote was bs rotfl... Come on even Tiesto wouldn't say that...
why do you listen to "us" anyway? trance died about 451231548 times this year... |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Couple things:
1) Yeah, that was a joke. I'd never really ban anyone. Sheesh, how pedantic do you really think I am?
2) Daft Punk isn't trying to be musically complex. They aren't trying to be highly-evolved. They aren't trying to be some sophisticated, artistic, complicated and deep form of music on parallel with Brahms or Handel. They're a ing house act who pioneered the "minimal, filtered" beat and are praised for it. I love them for that stupid fact.
I like music that doesn't lie to itself. Music that recognizes what it is and doesn't try to be something it's not. Daft Punk aren't taking you on a "journey". They aren't trying to make you smarter or more educated or more enlightened. It's just silly, stupid music.
But it's only in trance where I encounter this sentiment. Only trance compares itself with the greatest composers and most advanced musical theories of all time. Only trance sees itself as the gateway into a forward-thinking revolution in music. Only trance cites these higher endeavour as evidence of enlightenment. Only trance crackers talk incessantly about "converting", like it's some rabid religion hellbent on manifest destiny. Only trance crackers vote in these stupid "top DJ" magazine and online polls, because it helps re-assert their belief that their music is the best ever (techno, house, jungle, IDM, etc...don't care. They mostly keep to themselves). Only trance considers itself more evolved and more complex than any other form of music that's ever existed--and if people can't see that, then they must be sub-human. Trance seriously has this chip on its shoulder these days, and you know what? It's all ing bull. You people need to get over yourselves. You constantly berate others for not appreciating your music, when you never give them the same common courtousy. You continuously insist that your music is the best, and there is no music that could possibly be more pure, more real, more authentic, more complicated or more deep than it. And then you have the audacity to compare trance with the legends of classical music? Just look at Pio's comments. God, that is simultaneously ridiculous and hilarious. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, Pio, but.....man, just listen to yourself.
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are you sure you aint talking about prog?
and of course people are going to think trance is the new classical as trance is closest sound wise to classical even though its made with synths. even if the genre does give "False emotions" it still sounds more classical than some hard techno, prog, house or infact any genre.
Trance has a chip on its shoulder? it sounds like your the one with a chip on your shoulder, you take the mick out of the dj whores and then in the past two days youve butt ed z-trip more than any PvD whore has done in there lifes.
get over yourself, you wrote an edm guide woopty ing doo. |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | [b]Originally posted by muckluck [/b
And how is that?
A mite upset are we? |
well trance is the only genre which main focus is on melody.
techno focus more on the beat, house is the same but with vocals. |
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| muckluck |
Wait, Ishkur's real name is Kent? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! SONOFABITCH!
And of course Pio is very intelligent. He graduated from Yale! What better proof than that Kent?
You can call me Dick, Dick Bentley. |
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| Pio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
But it's only in trance where I encounter this sentiment. Only trance compares itself with the greatest composers and most advanced musical theories of all time. Only trance sees itself as the gateway into a forward-thinking revolution in music. Only trance cites these higher endeavour as evidence of enlightenment. Only trance crackers talk incessantly about "converting", like it's some rabid religion hellbent on manifest destiny. Only trance crackers vote in these stupid "top DJ" magazine and online polls, because it helps re-assert their belief that their music is the best ever (techno, house, jungle, IDM, etc...don't care. They mostly keep to themselves). Only trance considers itself more evolved and more complex than any other form of music that's ever existed--and if people can't see that, then they must be sub-human. Trance seriously has this chip on its shoulder these days, and you know what? It's all ing bull. You people need to get over yourselves. You constantly berate others for not appreciating your music, when you never give them the same common courtousy. You continuously insist that your music is the best, and there is no music that could possibly be more pure, more real, more authentic, more complicated or more deep than it. And then you have the audacity to compare trance with the legends of classical music? Just look at Pio's comments. God, that is simultaneously ridiculous and hilarious. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, Pio, but.....man, just listen to yourself. |
I would never even dare to say that the praiseworthy acts of trance/prog come even close to the legends of classical music. The complexity of say, Brahms' music is definitely not analogous to anything done by a trance, or any edm artist for that matter.
I admit that my analogies sound pretentious and ridiculous.....but, I'm talking about aritstic essence, not artistic quality. I give merit to Tijs and PvD for carrying on the torch of the (pretentious) Central European tradition of melodic grandiosity into the Twenty-first century.
And in terms of musical complexity I definitely believe that trance is among the lowest common denominators of edm. You couldn't even compare the stuff to the music of Squarepusher, Boards of Canada, or even someone like Mr. Bangalter....now these guys I would say are advanced.
But the DJs I mentioned craft their performances with skills that make them stand out from the mediocre crop of trance DJs. I don't even like calling them trance (or prog) if they work with so much more variety in their sets.
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