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The #1 DJ In the World (pg. 8)
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| sandstorm03 |
if i made a thread saying that you were an ignorant gimp, would you believe me:conf: .
Show me where a professional producer/dj says this. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Couple things:
1) Yeah, that was a joke. I'd never really ban anyone. Sheesh, how pedantic do you really think I am?
2) Daft Punk isn't trying to be musically complex. They aren't trying to be highly-evolved. They aren't trying to be some sophisticated, artistic, complicated and deep form of music on parallel with Brahms or Handel. They're a ing house act who pioneered the "minimal, filtered" beat and are praised for it. I love them for that stupid fact.
I like music that doesn't lie to itself. Music that recognizes what it is and doesn't try to be something it's not. Daft Punk aren't taking you on a "journey". They aren't trying to make you smarter or more educated or more enlightened. It's just silly, stupid music.
But it's only in trance where I encounter this sentiment. Only trance compares itself with the greatest composers and most advanced musical theories of all time. Only trance sees itself as the gateway into a forward-thinking revolution in music. Only trance cites these higher endeavour as evidence of enlightenment. Only trance crackers talk incessantly about "converting", like it's some rabid religion hellbent on manifest destiny. Only trance crackers vote in these stupid "top DJ" magazine and online polls, because it helps re-assert their belief that their music is the best ever (techno, house, jungle, IDM, etc...don't care. They mostly keep to themselves). Only trance considers itself more evolved and more complex than any other form of music that's ever existed--and if people can't see that, then they must be sub-human. Trance seriously has this chip on its shoulder these days, and you know what? It's all ing bull. You people need to get over yourselves. You constantly berate others for not appreciating your music, when you never give them the same common courtousy. You continuously insist that your music is the best, and there is no music that could possibly be more pure, more real, more authentic, more complicated or more deep than it. And then you have the audacity to compare trance with the legends of classical music? Just look at Pio's comments. God, that is simultaneously ridiculous and hilarious. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, Pio, but.....man, just listen to yourself.
This is what everybody hates. Trance is now the arrogant, conceited, big bully of the electronic music playground who thinks he can do no wrong, everybody should worship him, and his never smells. If this scene were geo-politics, Trance would be America. The big, boisterous, loud, obnoxious knocker.
Get over yourself, trance. You're nothing but a 4/4 pulse drum with a 4-key melody and a minor bass chord progression in an aeolian scale. That's ing play-dough to classical music. You're not that intelligent. |
I know you hate the people who make up trance, rather than the music itself. After all, the music isn't arrogant, it's the DJs high on their own mythical status as they successfully beatmatch the last four bars of a track into the next.
Your problem lies in the fact that the bulk of trance listeners you ever encounter are North American, a continent where trance has hardly any exposure relative to other popular genres of music. So when people scurry for cover from the juggernaut of manufactured pop, self-obsessed hip-hop and tired rock music, trance seems very much different to what they've been exposed to. In that context it really is underground, it sounds sophisticated and they think they've discovered the Holy Grail of music. Hence the attitude.
However. Go other places, where trance has been popular since conception, and has hit the mainstream big-time since the mid 1990s (thank you Robert Miles) and people listening to trance don't have that attitude. In Europe, where trance hits the charts regularly and soundtracks just about every piece of multi-media at some stage, and it isn't cool and alternative to listen to trance. Before I encountered this board, the only trance related opinions I heard was that it was good party music.
And I wouldn't hold a vendetta just because of the fans, and the artists. Axl Rose was famously sexist, homophobic and a general twat, and fans of his group tended to the opinion that Gee En Are were the Best Band Ever, and they reinvented rock music (for all of four years). I have an "alternative" friend who seriously thinks Sweet Child O Mine is the greatest piece of music ever recorded. However, for all that, Guns 'N Roses made some ing good music in their time, and you've expressed your like of that music before. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
All but the first and last of those are merely referring to the use of classical samples or string sections in trance music. |
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| 3xx3r7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by muckluck
I don't think anyone will develop elitist attitudes at all from reading Ishkur's guide. They will like what they like no matter what the guide says. Like you, and most of the people in this thread. You have no idea how many people have "Ishkur's attitude" yet have never read his guide, do you? Ishkur is not the only person in the world who hates your favorite music, even if he's the most popular one, the one which you will not look past.
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You're still missing it. Are you sure that you've read that guide closely. People who are new to EDM will develop this kind of attitude. 'Cause guess what. Most people discover this genre via internet. Guess also what. Most find this pretty guide in the early stages of familirization with EDM. I know that people who don't read this guide have this attitude. Otherwise, we wouldn't have Ishkur, would we? Do you really think I am that stupid to miss a point like that. You have no idea what tolerance and respect for people's tastes is? Bashing will get you nowhere but hate and disrespect. You know why, because most people do not like to be told that they taste for music sucks, especially if it is not true. If you are so experienced in EDM, why haven't you learned that still?
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Criticizm is not eliticism. The only trance genres i've seen him bash are Epic and anthem trance. That's two out of how many, 20? 30? Naw...you're just irritated that he made fun of your favorite. |
Hmmm... Interesting type of criticism. Telling that rest of trance sucks and telling that it is so horrible over and over again. Very constructive, should I say, and helpful to new generations. You need to open your eyes sometimes. His "criticisms" are going nowhere and in turn, create elitism, that I have discussed earlier.
Also, let me concentrate on a certain quote of yours:
| quote: | | They will like what they like no matter what the guide says. |
Do you even remotely realize how wrong are you in this statement, when it comes to people who are new to EDM? They start listening to what they like, try to discover their fav genres. Then one day, almighty Ishkur says that their genre sucks. They try to listen to other genres (perhaps the ones Ishkur recommends) , but they don't like that. They become hesistant and some may even stop listening to EDM altogether. People are like that. Majority of them follows. That is why I go to a local club, they play top 40 s, 'cause radio and MTV drilled that into them. Do you see the correlation? Or should I break it down to you, like to a little baby? Seriously, man. I don't have to be saying these things.
Or another one that made me laugh. I am really having fun here. :D :
| quote: | | Ishkur is not the only person in the world who hates your favorite music, even if he's the most popular one, the one which you will not look past. |
Do you need glasses young man? Haven't you read that I like productions from every other genres, thus I am actually involved in them too. Or maybe you have sclerosis. Ay-ay-ay. C'mon, were realy don't need to go in circles like merry-go-round. |
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| JakeC |
Muckluck.
No i am not upset because ishkur took the mick out of my favourtie genre, the thing that gets me is that every genre in his guide is slated.
Yes his guide maybe a jab at elitists but if thats the case why does he use the same reasoning when putting points across. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by JakeC
Muckluck.
No i am not upset because ishkur took the mick out of my favourtie genre, the thing that gets me is that every genre in his guide is slated.
Yes his guide maybe a jab at elitists but if thats the case why does he use the same reasoning when putting points across. |
cause he likes a dj named
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
cause he likes a dj named
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DJ Ear Swab? :rolleyes: |
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
cause he likes a dj named
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Isn't that a Q-tip? :p
And about trance... well, uh... I mean, wha... seriously... ah, screw it. Just observe:
http://tranceaddict.com/forums/show...threadid=251804
"W00T!!!111 another episoed of ASOT"
"Oh Armin, I'm ready! Take me now!!!"
"omg first track comin on now... choooooon"
"This is groudbreaking. Beatiful. I cry"
"I AM IN A COMPLETE EUPHORIA RIGHT NOW :eyespop: :eyes: :crazy: "
I don't really need to comment on that.
What's funny, also, is that they know each and every track and what remix of it it is. They've obviously heard it hundreds of times before, so I guess it's natural. Same thing with mainstream FM radio stations, but the music played on there is forced down your throat... err, ears, against your will really. Not fun at all. So I wonder why they listen to a radio show with a DJ who doesn't even like his own music. Are they masochists? Are they emo? It is, after all, hands-in-the-air, epic, cry-baby music... that tries to be hard and techy at the same time, hm. Track after track... after track. Unless it's McProg, then it's bleepy melodic (same synth(s) on every track? I wouldn't be surprised) wannabe-deep fodder. |
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| sandstorm03 |
| quote: | Originally posted by JakeC
DJ Ear Swab? :rolleyes: |
Q-TIP |
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| auranaut |
| quote: | Originally posted by sandstorm03
Q-TIP |
MC Q-Tip is good though. ;) So is DJ Z-Tip... though I don't like the old rock classics/Christina Aguilera he plays. :p Listened to a groovy/jazzy/funky set by him though, which was great. |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by auranaut
"W00T!!!111 another episoed of ASOT"
"Oh Armin, I'm ready! Take me now!!!"
"omg first track comin on now... choooooon"
"This is groudbreaking. Beatiful. I cry"
"I AM IN A COMPLETE EUPHORIA RIGHT NOW :eyespop: :eyes: :crazy: "
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what is worng with people expressing therselves in that way?
so youd rather type the sub melody that repeats every 32 bars takes me to a higher level or you could just say Tune!
May i remind you Tune! is used in every genre of music. |
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