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The #1 DJ In the World (pg. 5)
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| Zombie0915 |
gawd damn that sounds so familiar
I bet all the kids who talk like this in here got it from you, holy I feel like I have read that post 100 times.
it, hand me my Dr.Seuss and put on the human stereo, ignorance is bliss. I think I could tell Armin Pvd Tiesto and oakey apart without seeing them, which is probably a sad thing to lotsa kids in here.
I dunno why, I've tried becoming more critical of music, ive tried to gain an appreciation for spliced up mixing and 'skilled' dj's, I just still like retarded pop hyped up stupid cheesy music I guess, at least I not trying to be someone that I'm not.
I guess the only thing different from me and your average trance cracker is that I dont parade around telling everybody the stuff I listen to is #1 in the world, I dont really think that it even matters.
I dont really know who my favorite dj is anymore, sometimes I just go out without ever figuring out who is there, thats usualy when I have the most fun.
People wonder why genre fankids isolate themselves like this, but it is exactly because of this kind of talk. We just want to have fun without being told that were stupid for liking the things we like, or how all 'skilled' musicians think it is crap, we dont friggin care and it ruins the party. I'm not saying criticism is bad, we just need to accept each other's styles and genuine and enjoyable so we can stop fighting and dance.
Sure z-trip is great too, so are lotsa other people, but there is none superior to any other, no matter how sophisticated a persons musical background is. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
And I would hardly think a marathon set is of any difficulty when the tracks are 9 minutes long. I wouldn't call that putting your heart into it. It's just rote repetition. At least Z-trip is changing records every few minutes, playing battle tools, cutting up sections, and making it all sound cohesive.....putting his heart into it. What does Tiesto do inbetween mixes, take a smoke break?
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heh.. well its more of a concern with an overall picture.. think about it.. its one big masterpiece to go from point A to B.. your depicting trance as simple and formulaic. look at how it can smoothley be molded into long sets..this goes with house techno trance progressive etc.
well this guys set is random.. hes basically layer a couple of tracks.. goes to another genre slows it down 40 bpms.. goes up to 150 bpms slows it down to 107 bpms..
i would be out of that room so fast if i was watching him dj.. there is no flow. Most people would just be there staring at the dj watching what he was doing instead of having a good time danceing (The point of a dj?)... his style reminds me of a very good top 40 dj from the 80s lol.. meant for an ideal bar scene where people will go back and forth when he switches up the genres abruptly
why not just watch a dmc tournament.. im sure we could summarize his talent in about 20 minutes or so.. does he do anything else? any productions? I think dj today means more then just playing records.. if you look at hte top ten.. or probably top 20.. everyone of those djs produce their own music as well.
Not bashing this guy.. his set is ace.. but the honest opinion of most people would be that.. it wouldnt be the funnest time on the dancefloor with this guy. But a liveset might prove me wrong.. maybe he actually does have some flow :D |
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| muckluck |
Uh...Uneasy Listening flows better than most trance sets produced in the last...ever. That i've heard anyway. So since i'm bored:
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However, he's far from being my favorite DJ because
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Who said anything about who anyone's favorite DJ was?
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You can't really quantify or objectify art, |
I think he just did, on the homepage of his website in no less than 11 detailed paragraphs.
| quote: | Originally posted by 3xx3r7
1. Yes I know what it is. In this case, it is considering one's taste of music as superior. After reading that guide, many individuals, especially the ones who are new to EDM, look down on other genres of electronic music, while considering some genres as superior. I don't think you know what elitism is, son. |
Show me any place where Ishkur says his music tastes are superior. I think you're just being overly defensive because he criticizes a few genres on his guide, one happening to be your favorite.
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2. Ignorant spite. That made me laugh. Unlike you, who probably listens to specific genres, I listen to everything and like certain productions almost from every genre. He has a reason? To make people hate most of the electronic music produced today? Very aiming reason, I would say. |
I listen to every genre and like productions from every genre as well, EDM and otherwise. What's your point? That doesn't mean I have to like all of it.
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If you consider his guide even remotely credible, then I must say that I am finished talking to you. |
Oh dear, I must say, tallyhoe good sir, i'm finished with thee. I've never read Ishkur's music guide. |
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| Ishkur |
At least now some people know how I feel when they shove it down my throat on who the best DJ is, what the best music is, etc....
I'm only returning the favour. |
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| nwopper |
| Why do I have the feeling Muckluck was known as Ory a month ago.....:nervous: |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by muckluck
I think he just did, on the homepage of his website in no less than 11 detailed paragraphs.
Oh dear, I must say, tallyhoe good sir, i'm finished with thee. I've never read Ishkur's music guide. |
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| JakeC |
| quote: | Originally posted by nwopper
Why do I have the feeling Muckluck was known as Ory a month ago.....:nervous: |
if he is thats just plain sad. |
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| Nrg2Nfinit |
| quote: | Originally posted by muckluck
Uh...Uneasy Listening flows better than most trance sets produced in the last...ever. That i've heard anyway. So since i'm bored:
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yes espcialy because the mix is called "uneasy listening" im sure its not meant to flow.. ts meant to be a showcase for what this dj could do
id liek to hear a liveset by him.. if one exists.. then we can talk about flow |
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| 3xx3r7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by muckluck
Show me any place where Ishkur says his music tastes are superior. I think you're just being overly defensive because he criticizes a few genres on his guide, one happening to be your favorite.
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Ay, you're still did not get what I have said. Did ya? I have stated that certain individuals, after reading his guide, will develop elitist attitude toward many genres. Ishkur does not say anywhere that he considers his fav genres superior, but people, who will follow his guide will have the aforementioned attitude. Still with there, buddy?
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I listen to every genre and like productions from every genre as well, EDM and otherwise. What's your point? That doesn't mean I have to like all of it.
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Correct, but that does not mean to bash other genres and consider them stupid or below. Ishkur does exactly that. See all other trance genres besides, what he considers classical trance. Get the flow, or do you still think I am saying it all out of ignorant spite, lol.
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Oh dear, I must say, tallyhoe good sir, i'm finished with thee. I've never read Ishkur's music guide. |
Oh really, then read it over for your entertainment pleasure, my good sir. We still have much to discuss in that case. |
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| Pio |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
That is some impressive shoveling. They are playing records back-to-back. In common parlance, that is what we call being a "human stereo". They aren't anymore attuned to weaving a "complicated, wagnerian operatic story" than you are noticing it beyong "OMG I LOVE THIS TRACK" while hopped up on goofballs. |
| quote: | | Invite Armin, Tiesto and PvD to the same party. Hell, ask Oakenfold to come along for good measure. Drape a shower curtain around the decks. Try to guess who is playing when. I bet you can't. |
I most definitely CAN tell them all apart. Not just from track selection and track placement, but also by beatmatching technique and precision.
A Tiësto transition is usually pretty rough and will usually tend to create deep contrasts from track to track with dissonant key mixing or through the juxtaposing of different layers of rhythmic contour. His mixes are most definitely unique to a trained ear. Same with PvD's...very clean, very German traditionalist emphasizing on on key and precise kick matching while always maintaining the hi-energy (Tiësto goes up and down like crazy).
Armin plays the fluffier sound of Dutch trance and McProg that Tiësto sometimes plays....but his set development is much more traditional and predictable. Hell, you could even give exactly the same tracks to Tiësto and Armin and a lot of us would still be able to tell them apart (with Tiësto's interpretation being much more musically complex).
And Oakie is just a shame....ok, maybe I couldn't be able to tell the difference between him and many of the fruity bedroom DJs that infest this forum...but I can tell him apart from the others you mentioned in a heartbeat.
| quote: | | And I would hardly think a marathon set is of any difficulty when the tracks are 9 minutes long. I wouldn't call that putting your heart into it. It's just rote repetition. At least Z-trip is changing records every few minutes, playing battle tools, cutting up sections, and making it all sound cohesive.....putting his heart into it. What does Tiesto do inbetween mixes, take a smoke break? |
The difficulty is musical, not really technical. I can only really listen to two or three (European) trance DJs in the world because they are the only ones that have a clue about music-making and are the only ones able to make a set interesting for me. What do they do? They construct a story through music by using key-contrast mixing, harmonic layering and modulations, deceptive cadences, rhythmic contrasts and juxtapositions. They know how to effectively manipulate the ambiance of a club by making music.
| quote: | | You ask any REAL musician what they think of trance, they'd probably tell you it's some of the most basic, unoriginal stuff they've ever heard. It if were literature it'd be the equivalent of a Grade 1 primer: "See Dick walk. Walk the dog. Walk, Dick, Walk." |
I've talked with many real musicians about electronic music in general and most of them can't tell the difference between trance, techno, house, downtempo and drum n' bass....But within those that do know about edm, the trancers and proggy househeads come out pretty strong. Every year more and more producers come from the best conservatories in Europe. Take Nu NRG, they might sound cheesy as to you but they are taking Italian operatic lyricisim to another level. They are real musicians who have studied with the most real music professors in Italy. But hey, some people say Puccini is cheesy too and that's fine. This is Euro-centric music after all. Same goes with James Holden, the kid was a child prodigy and his musical genius is still pretty evident in his productions and set constructions. |
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| sandstorm03 |
this thread has soo much crap in it...
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Invite Armin, Tiesto and PvD to the same party. Hell, ask Oakenfold to come along for good measure. Drape a shower curtain around the decks. Try to guess who is playing when. I bet you can't.
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who ever said that is a moron. |
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| dartrance |
^ HAHA OUCH.
Ishkur just got owned. Seriously dude your lame guide is a load of crock. Just as you say people are trying to force music on you, your doing the exact same back. Why not try to let people enjoy what they want?
Wether it be Z-trip or the cheesy dutch trance as you call it. |
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