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The Real Reason Why Paul Oakenfold is Hated NOW [OAKENFOLD ESSENTIAL MIX 2006 THREAD] (pg. 10)
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| Pete K |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Jesus ing christ.
The mind. It boggles.
What did Oakenfold do that was so ing special!?!?!?!? Comparing him to Jordan is like comparing a pee shooter to a tank. Are you people not capable of normal thinking!?
Have you actually seen a REAL DJ before? |
No I'm a brainless candy kid that listens to trance. As a matter of fact I just saw a so called "real DJ" Klever a few weeks. I think everyone can realize that he’s to DJing in the dance music world. No need to go around trolling peoples opinions. |
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| paranoik0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Wow.
It really is like ramming your head against a brick wall, isn't it? Keep putting your head in the sand to blind yourself from the truth. Refuse to admit that you've been duped for several years by an empty, shallow product full of too much hype and PR. |
More like ramming his head against the ramming of your head. Always nice to watch a "discussion" where both sides present their opinion as fact.
For the record, I don't share his opinion that Oakie was the best thing ever. His sets never seemed to me any more special than any other dj, even at my teenage epic trance fan phase. |
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| ArgentinaHouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Jesus ing christ.
The mind. It boggles.
What did Oakenfold do that was so ing special!?!?!?!? Comparing him to Jordan is like comparing a pee shooter to a tank. Are you people not capable of normal thinking!?
Have you actually seen a REAL DJ before? |
seems like you dont sleep well at night
are you happy with life?:nervous:
take it easy, you sound like a disgruntled alcoholic gone mad in front everyone.
this board is open for all sorts of opinions and trying to belittle someone because they don't think like you (thankfully,which i may add) is pretty childish. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
Wow.
It really is like ramming your head against a brick wall, isn't it? Keep putting your head in the sand to blind yourself from the truth. Refuse to admit that you've been duped for several years by an empty, shallow product full of too much hype and PR.
Everyone has already admitted several times in this thread that Oakenfold has never been a very good mixer. So what, pray tell, was so good about him? That he was the first DJ you heard?
heh. |
At what point are people being fooled, and at what point are people actually enjoying the music? When are people allowed to say they enjoy something without being told they are wrong and ignorant? I believe that you my friend do have a problem letting people be who they are, and letting people enjoy who they are.
From your postings over the years, it does seem that you believe in the old train of thought, the old days of 'raving'. Come out, be who are you, enjoy the music, just don't praise the DJ, because thats not what its about. To me, part of that old world thinking tells us to let people be who they are. As long as they are enjoying the music, who is getting hurt? Who are you to decide, that these people who so helplessly believe Oakey was their hero, are infact delusianal?
No Oakenfold didn't have the mixing skills of those DMC champs. But, when the hell do those DJs play Brainchild - "Symmetry C [Lange Breakbeat Mix]" in its entirety? Yes, the DMC champs can mix records, but they don't play trance, and they do not have the new records that people want to hear.
What did Oakey do what was so special?
He played what people wanted to hear. That is a DJs job, to be a crowd pleaser, and he did it better than anybody else. |
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| pudseybear |
| quote: | Originally posted by msz
never liked him. |
i have a paul okenfold album called perfecto floro and thats a good mixhttp://img.tranceaddict.com/images/icons/dancing_dude.gif
Dancing Dude |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
At what point are people being fooled, and at what point are people actually enjoying the music? When are people allowed to say they enjoy something without being told they are wrong and ignorant?
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| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
As long as they are enjoying the music, who is getting hurt?
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But they aren't enjoying the music. They're enjoying the DJ. It's created a very dishonest atmosphere at these events. The object of freedom and self-expression has been replaced by the worship of idolatry. Why do people go to see him? Because he's famous. Why is he famous? Because people go to see him. They're not participating, they're spectating.....sucking the very lifeblood out of what was once a very vibrant community. In short: They are posers. They are leaches. They are thiefs.
And they are hurting me, someone who loves the ing music and the scene that used to foster it and can't enjoy it anymore because the music has been hijacked by this bloated, bland corporate mega-crap. Someone who actually had the audacity to rip an entire subculture away from us, turn around and sell it back to us. As if it was ever his to begin with.
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
Who are you to decide, that these people who so helplessly believe Oakey was their hero, are infact delusianal?
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I'm someone who watched, once upon a time, a no-name local play the exact same tunes as a bigname DJ at a party and no one gave a . And then that bigname DJ came on, and he played four of the records that the local had played earlier in the night, and people went ape for him. What, really, was the difference? Besides the fact that the bigname DJ's name was on huge 3-foot posters and die-cut flyers in 400 pt. glowing font and because the tickets cost $100 to pay his extortionist appearance fee.....all of that somehow made him better?
Give your head a shake.
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
What did Oakey do what was so special?
He played what people wanted to hear. |
50 bazillion DJs play the exact same music. The only thing Oakie did differently was marketing. |
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| queen_vee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ishkur
I'm someone who watched, once upon a time, a no-name local play the exact same tunes as a bigname DJ at a party and no one gave a . And then that bigname DJ came on, and he played four of the records that the local had played earlier in the night, and people went ape for him. What, really, was the difference? Besides the fact that the bigname DJ's name was on huge 3-foot posters and die-cut flyers in 400 pt. glowing font and because the tickets cost $100 to pay his extortionist appearance fee.....all of that somehow made him better?
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This is the saddest thing about the trance/dance scene and it is something I will never be able to comprehend.
If people would one day realise the music the locals play IS the same as that the superstars play, we would gain atmosphere and lose exorbitant ticket prices - that's when we'll know it's about the music again. |
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| ArgentinaHouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by queen_vee
This is the saddest thing about the trance/dance scene and it is something I will never be able to comprehend.
If people would one day realise the music the locals play IS the same as that the superstars play, we would gain atmosphere and lose exorbitant ticket prices - that's when we'll know it's about the music again. |
This argument falls flat based on its main premise: THE MUSIC
Let's take a look at shiloh for example.
Please name for me a local DJ who can crank out a set like this from tunes in his cd case
1. Formal - Twilight - Late Night Intro Mix [CDR]
2. Jacob Todd - The Metaphysics of Paper [3Beat Breaks]
3. Ozgur Can & Rouzbeh Delavari - Eternity [3Beat Breaks]
4. Micah - Epidemic [Unsigned]
5. Powerplant Feat. Trout - Turn It Into Gold (Nick K's Athens Remix) [Deep]
6. DJ Fox - I Believe [Tribo]
7. Spin 33 - Believe [CDR]
8. Steve Lawler - Out At Night (Nathan Fake's Night Lu Remix) [Subversive]
9. Mr. Acid - Mr. Acid [CDR]
10. Micali, Ajami, Wasley - Set You Free (Brancaccio & Aisher Suicide Sports Dub) [CDR]
11. Plastique Vision - Toyz In Panic [CDR]
12. C-Jay - Sundayzer [CDR]
13. Ozgur Can & Rouzbeh Delavari - I Know You [CDR]
14. Kasey Taylor & Chris Meehan - Biotics (Mix 1 [Vapour]
15. Shmuel Flash - For A Long Time (Fretwell Remix) [Nascent]
16. Starkid - Crayons (Habersham & Numinous Remix) [Release]
17. NO ID
18. Steve Lawler - Out At Night [Subversive]
19. Furry Nipples - Surroundings [CDR]
20. NO ID
21. Andy Moor vs Mic Burns - Control Me [Pangea]
22. Baunder - Replica [CDR]
23. Infish vs Martin H - Eye Am (David West Remix) [CDR]
24. NO ID
25. Voyager- DCD (Invisible inc remix)
26. NO ID
27. Blue Room Project - Tuned Exposure [CDR]
considering many of those songs have No id til this day....and many on that tracklist still have been unreleased.
Shiloh plays a mixture of their own productions with CDR's from producers who send them material. There is just no way in hell, a local DJ can really come up with something as massive as this.
The entire world is eagerly waiting for Shmuel Flash - For A Long Time (Fretwell Remix) to be released..... This is what happen with trance in pre 2000 era. Oakenfold had the tunes coming to him from all producers....today, with trance really washing out as a genre, all the producers send their tunes to every trance dj , even local dj's.
So argueing that local DJ's deserve the same credibility is partially correct but for the majority of impressive artists today, it falls flat considering they are sent the real bombs (tuneage)
By the way....that set is from 2004....go figure
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| queen_vee |
| quote: | Originally posted by ArgentinaHouse
This argument falls flat based on its main premise: THE MUSIC
Let's take a look at shiloh for example.
Please name for me a local DJ who can crank out a set like this from tunes in his cd case1
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1. You are posting on tranceaddict no doubt because you have a deep passion for the music, deeper than most. The majority of people going out DON’T CARE if they hear tracks no one will never ever be able to ID and;
2. Local DJ’s can do their own searching and still present ‘new’, fresh tunes, tracks no one has heard or is familiar with for those that want to be ‘educated’. Who ever said the only good new tunes come from producers who send their work to superstars?
I believe that a local DJ has the ability to satisfy both crowds that want to hear the anthems, and crowds that want an education.
It is NOT about the music when considering the merits of a superstar, it is about the atmosphere that has been created so effectively and solely by marketing, and when people realise this they’ll be able to see clearly that a local can deliver the goods just as well and deserves the crowds to witness and appreciate it. |
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| ArgentinaHouse |
| quote: | Originally posted by queen_vee
1. You are posting on tranceaddict no doubt because you have a deep passion for the music, deeper than most. |
thanks :)
| quote: | Originally posted by queen_vee
2. Local DJ’s can do their own searching and still present ‘new’, fresh tunes, tracks no one has heard or is familiar with for those that want to be ‘educated’. Who ever said the only good new tunes come from producers who send their work to superstars? |
hmmmm, i understand this
| quote: | Originally posted by queen_vee
If people would one day realise the music the locals play IS the same as that the superstars play,. |
hmmmm, but the reason I responded was because of this
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thanks though, for clarifying ;) |
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| Ishkur |
| quote: | Originally posted by ArgentinaHouse
So argueing that local DJ's deserve the same credibility is partially correct but for the majority of impressive artists today, it falls flat considering they are sent the real bombs (tuneage)
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Who decides that those are "real bombs"? Magazines? Pete Tong? You? Are those tunes magically great before they played them, or after? Regardless of what the answer is, they still fall prey to the same marketing.
Why are those songs great? Because the DJ played them. Why did the DJ play them? Because they're great. The same circular argument.....many DJs and producers have taken advantage of this to release sets of just their own work or their friends work, pushing mediocre productions into the limelight. Is it about the music? Hell no, it's about money.
You want to know why trance music has gone down the ter? It's because right now there is a very tight-knit clique controlling the entire industry, and all they do is play each other's tunes, do interviews in each other's magazines, remix each other's works, star in each other's clubs and promote each other's careers. This cartel has propped up a virtual bottleneck far more insidious than even the RIAA-controlled pop music industry that you all so despise. They control what DJs you want to enjoy and what tunes you're going to hear on every radio station and club you visit that you're going to love, and they have betrayed, stagnated, and neutered the music beyond the the music to the point of listenability.
If you're alright with this practise, go on, keep doing what you're doing, but don't ever tell us who value a little more substance in our lives that we do not have a right to be angry. |
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